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The Restitution Of All Things

FineLinen

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"The One who died for us, who was raised to life for us, is in the presence of God at this very moment sticking up for us. Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ's love for us? There is no way! Not trouble, not hard times, not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not bullying threats, not backstabbing, not even the worst sins listed in Scripture: None of this fazes us because Jesus loves us. I'm absolutely convinced that nothing, nothing living or dead, angelic or demonic, today or tomorrow, high or low, thinkable or unthinkable, absolutely nothing can get between us and God's love because of the way that Jesus our Master has embraced us. ~ MSG

1. thanatos can't

2. zōē can't

3. angelos can't

4. archē can't

5. enistēmi can't

6. mellō can't

7. dynamis can't

"No power in the sky above or in the earth below, indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

NOTHING !

nothing = oudeis =

No one. Nothing.
 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
Perfunctory Genuflections

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The outcome is secure

"That in/en the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of beings in Heaven, of those on the earth, and of those in the underworld, and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Shall bow = kampto

To bow in worship & honour.

The scope of kampto =

Everything in....

Heaven.

Earth.

The underworld.

Turn to me and be helped - saved! - everyone, whoever and wherever you are. I am God, the only God there is, the one and only. I promise in my own name: Every word out of my mouth does what it says. I never take back what I say. Everyone is going to end up kneeling before me. Everyone is going to end up saying of me, 'Yes! salvation and strength are in God!'" All who have raged against him will be brought before him, disgraced by their unbelief.

Shall bow = תִּכְרַע

To bow down in worship.

To cause to bow down.

To sink prostrate.

Not by perfunctory genuflections: en/in the Name of all names.
 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
Please note

"That in/en the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of beings in Heaven, of those on the earth, and of those in the underworld, and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

The little koine word en = in.

If, (by the loving grace & mercy of God) you know what it is to be in Christ Jesus, the scope of the confession en the Name is clear.

en = en = en
 

FineLinen

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Restitution = temuriak
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The times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets. And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto You: Whom the heavens must receive until the times of the restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began (Acts 3:21).

Meaning of restitution =

Peter's statement speaks clearly of the times of the restitution of all things. Restitution, according to the best English usage, means the act of restoring something that has been taken away or lost; the act of making good or rendering an equivalent as for loss or injury.

koine Greek = temuriak = restoration

"Now it's time to change your ways! Turn to face God so he can wipe away your sins, pour out showers of blessing to refresh you, and send you the Messiah he prepared for you, namely, Jesus. For the time being he must remain out of sight in heaven until everything is restored to order again just the way God, through the preaching of his holy prophets of old, said it would be." ~MSG
 

FineLinen

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The universal scope

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The Lord Jesus Christ declares He will draw all mankind unto Himself. Will He?

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."

In the beginning He was the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him: and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. (Col. 1:15-17).

Can the universal scope of Christ's creation be more forcibly expressed? In every case the word ALL is used without any limitation whatever. The heavens and the earth with all that is in them, visible and invisible, include ALL creation.
 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
The risen Christ preaches to the dead!

"Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved through water...for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."

"Who shall render an account unto him who is holding in readiness to judge living and dead; for, unto this end, even unto the dead, was the glad-message delivered, in order that they might be judged, indeed, according to men in flesh, but might live according to God in spirit." -Rotherham Emphasized-

Dead= nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=

Breathed his last/ lifeless. Deceased/ departed. Destitute of life/ without life. Inanimate.

Disobedient= apeitheo= Not to allow one's self to be persuaded. To refuse or withhold belief & obedience. To refuse belief and obedience. Not to comply with.

Live= zao= To be alive with resurrection life.
 

FineLinen

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Everything

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Everything & everyone. There are wonderful verbs in the Scriptures.

metaschēmatizō.

The power of our Lord enables Him to bring everything under His control by way of this wonderful verb. "But there's far more to life for us. We're citizens of high heaven! We're waiting the arrival of the Savior, the Master, Jesus Christ, who will transform our earthy bodies into glorious bodies like his own. He'll make us beautiful and whole with the same powerful skill by which he is putting everything as it should be, under and around him." ~MSG
 

FineLinen

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It is complete

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It is finalized

There is a common thread running through those who resist the overwhelming love of God to restore every broken sinner back to Himself. It is presented in various styles, the foundation being we must do something.

Repentance is "granted" by our God, faith is His faith, (those who live by the faith of the Son of God). We stand before Him naked and blind and broken as hopeless beings in need from a Hand from above.

Tetelestai =

The perfect tense of the verb teleo which is derived from telos (a goal achieved, a consummation, a result attained) and means to bring something to a successful end, or to its intended or destined goal.

It does not mean just to complete a task but to carry it out fully, to bring it to the finish or to perfection.

The cry of the Christ is a word of finality. It is finished, it stands finished, and it always will be finished! His work of redemption is complete and nothing can be added to it.


 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The Divine Equation =

"Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

Note

1. Condemnation upon the radical pas of "all mankind."

Result = "many made sinners."

2. Justification of life upon the many made sinners through the obedience of One making the identical polus "righteous."

Two heads one outcome

Adam1 = many made sinners.

Last Adam = many made righteous.

All = all...many = many...some = some....many = many.

To quote the false prophet Paul, and think you are doing anything but entering a rabbit whole is probably a big mistake. God found Enoch and Elijah both righteous. And Yeshua said he didn't come for the "righteous", but for the sinners. His message was for the sinners to repent, produce good fruit and be baptized (Matthew 3). If they couldn't repent from being sinners, and become righteous, what was his purpose? Did he preach before his supposed crucifixion, or after. Did he heal and raise the dead, before some crucifixion, or after? If you find that rabbit, see if you can find it's weight, and let me know.
 

FineLinen

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Endless torment?

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The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion), eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Neither, will you find the term aidios timorion or eternal torment*. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal time set for punishment or torment beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of* aionion (a period of time as in an age) kalasin (chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with any kind of punishment or life for that matter.

God's power and divine nature are the only things which are Eternal. And the New Testament has only one word which can truthfully be translated as eternal. This is the Greek word Aidios which is used only twice: For since the creation of the world GODS invisible qualities - His eternal (aidios) power and divine nature - have been clearly seen.

In Jude 6, 7 - you will see a difference between them, whereas, they do not use the same Greek Word. The fire speaks to that of an age (a period of time), not something that is without a beginning or an end. And the eternal chains that hold them has to do with his eternal power, not all eternity. Nobody would use two different words two describe the same thing, unless there was a difference in their application. Any divergence or variance is worthy of attention and significant.

Furthermore:

Timothy 2:4
... who desires ALL people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.


It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.

And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subject’s response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.

In addition, the Penal Substitution theory is a fallacy or false doctrine taught by the Church.

Noteworthy : the two words (kolasin aionion) in many, but not all translations have been reversed when bringing the Greek into English, that is, "kolasin aionion" or punishment everlasting is reversed to everlasting punishment (correction) which makes it appear to last endlessly. Rather than, that of serving a purpose. In other words, correct your children in the way they should go, and they will not turn from it. Therefore, the correction will be everlasting, not that they will need correcting for all eternity! This is just something for us to ponder, before making irrational judgments.
 
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FineLinen

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Remedial punishment

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The context of Matthew 25 is regarding pure virgins,(5 wise 5 unwise) but pure virgins. These words are not to pigs or harlots, but to pure virgins and sheep.

ON the SHEEP and the GOATS By Jonathan Mitchell

The five (5) qualifications for aionios kolasis/ everlasting punishment are ? ? ? ? ?

1.________________?

2.________________?

3.________________?

4.________________?

5.________________?

Regarding Matthew 25:46

"The Greek word for punishment is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. There is no instance in Greek secular literature where kolasis does not mean remedial punishment. It is a simple fact that in Greek kolasis always means remedial punishment. God's punishment is always for man's cure." ~Dr. Wm. Barclay
 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
None of us began this journey by our decision. The end of our journey, as it was in the beginning, is wholly within the mighty purpose of our glorious Father.

"I will draw all mankind unto Me" =

Kampto =


Draw by His power.

Drag off by His power.

Impel by His power.

Everything & everyone.

metaschēmatizō =

The power of our Lord enables Him to bring everything under His control by way of this wonderful verb.

"But there's far more to life for us. We're citizens of high heaven! We're waiting the arrival of the Savior, the Master, Jesus Christ, who will transform our earthy bodies into glorious bodies like his own. He'll make us beautiful and whole with the same powerful skill by which he is putting everything as it should be, under and around him." ~MSG

Everything & everyone brought into conformity within Him!
 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
Many dwelling places

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Abodes in Father's House

In my Father's house are many mansions (koine mone): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (John 14:2 KJV)

It becomes very wearisome to hear preachers speak of dying, going to heaven, and living in heavenly mansions for all eternity, as if this is to be the entire expectation of believers. Did Jesus die on the cross just so He could save a few people and give them mansions to live in forever and ever?

Very seldom is any purpose attached to living in these mansions. It is as if life will go on. Granted, it is always presented as a glorious life; after all, we will see our loved ones and walk on golden streets with them as we pluck fruit from the tree of life.

Others paint very romantic images of heaven as a place filled with fields of flowers and the air filled with beautiful angelic singing.

Seldom is there any real purpose for such a life. It all seems rather boring, especially if such an existence is to go on forever and ever. The thought of having a mansion to live in has no appeal whatsoever, even if it is a place that will never decay, never require a new paint job or a new roof.

Where is the value of the cross in such an expectation? Stop and think about this for a moment and ask yourself this question: Did Jesus die for me just so I could have a mansion in the sky and I could live eternally in that place? Is this truly your expectation? Could it be that Jesus was not referring to a physical mansion at all but to something far greater and far more spiritual?

This is the question we need to explore.

Abodes in My Father's House
 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
The "small" words in koine express incredible magnitude. One of them is ἐν.

The Lord Jesus is not only King of the Jews, He is the Prince-Leader of every human being, in every dimension of the heavens, earth, and underworld!

That ἐν in the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow in worship, not "at" His Name, but in/ἐν His Name.

For those who have experienced the wonder of being in/ ἐν Him, the outcome is obvious. The entire universe ultimately sings in harmonious strains..... "You are Lord."

This is NOT perfunctory genuflections! NOT!

That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow (ινα εν τω ονοματ Ιησου παν γονυ καμψη). First aorist active subjunctive of καμπτω, old verb, to bend, to bow, in purpose clause with ινα. Not perfunctory genuflections whenever the name of Jesus is mentioned, but universal acknowledgment of the majesty and power of Jesus Christ who carries his human name and nature to heaven.

This universal homage to Jesus is seen in Romans 8:22; Ephesians 1:20-22 and in particular Revelation 5:13. Under the earth (καταχθονιων). Homeric adjective for departed souls, subterranean, simply the dead.

 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
"The One who died for us, who was raised to life for us, is in the presence of God at this very moment sticking up for us. Do you think anyone is going to be able to drive a wedge between us and Christ's love for us? There is no way! Not trouble, not hard times, not hatred, not hunger, not homelessness, not bullying threats, not backstabbing, not even the worst sins listed in Scripture: None of this fazes us because Jesus loves us. I'm absolutely convinced that nothing, nothing living or dead, angelic or demonic, today or tomorrow, high or low, thinkable or unthinkable, absolutely nothing can get between us and God's love because of the way that Jesus our Master has embraced us. ~ MSG

1. thanatos can't

2. zōē can't

3. angelos can't

4. archē can't

5. enistēmi can't

6. mellō can't

7. dynamis can't

"No power in the sky above or in the earth below, indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

NOTHING !

nothing = oudeis =

No one. Nothing.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Humans first as gods heavens is equally balanced is no argument.

Father and mother human holy spirit's human. Had sex own human babies.

If a man scientist life sacrificed by his wisdom Scientific satanisms irradiation of natural family said I know I unnaturally hurt my brother is because he ignored his man human life holiness. Men as humans first.

So we were taught why.

As God never owned life sacrificed causes man did.

As you cannot own a human discussion about changes to holiness unless you are living.

The story Jesus said I re taught to my brother's what our fathers had already known.

Temple science was evil.

Building was design for scientific practices.

Gods temple was the presence of natural stone.

When human healers state heavenly saviour healing put the life spirit ownership holy man baby back into the physical human life body human mother then it was claimed miraculous.

By humans.

Who believed they would live forevermore mutated and cursed.

Hence before the birth of newly born DNA man's baby return humans started gaining bodily healings. DNA changes miracles witnessed.

Reason old first life water evaporated mass cloud water amassing was no longer amassing clouds so humans began receiving extra oxygenated water entering their biology.

Atmospheric pressure changes by gases cooled held it direct to the bodies and vibrational conditions transformed the human cellular biology.

Witnessed. Man and woman's father and mother humans owned spirits returning.

By a non nuclear science practice that had previously caused it to be removed.

It was after all a healers teaching advice for all humanity non religious in fact it was medical.
 
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