Ban Single Use Plastics?

VoidCat · Sep 27, 2021

RayofLight said:
Note: this seems accurate from talking to many disabled folk. I'm sure being that environmental issues effect the disabled harder then most if they could use alternatives some would. It's just some can't use any but single use straws. I dont know much about the source of graphic but again I've talked to many disabled folk. Many wish they could use alternitives but have to stick with plastic cause it's the most accessible option due to many of the reasons listed. I can find some more resources if anyone is interested. I just didn't feel like looking up more sources that I've seen if no one cares about the topic.

Here's a good source from a journel:
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The common and repeated narrative of, ‘well, can’t they just use paper/glass/silicone/metal straws’, makes three key assumptions. The first is that disabled people can easily use alternatives. With help from writer and artist sb. smith in recreating a graphic they created in 2018, we show in Figure 1 the myriad complications ‘just using a ____ straw’ presents to disabled people. Disabled people’s inability to position certain straws, their risk as choking hazards, the inability to use them for hot liquids, and possible injury from the poking of one’s mouth are just some problems disabled people face when presented with plastic straw alternatives

Twilight Hue · Sep 27, 2021

Brickjectivity said:
Here's a video 8 minutes long talking about how the plastic recycling industry has conspired to fool us into thinking many plastics are recyclable which actually are not.

The plastic identification numbers on plastic containers is made to falsely imitate a recycling symbol. In truth the triple arrow triangle does not indicate 'Recyclable' at all. Only plastics in categories 1 and 2 have a chance of being recyclable by themselves and not always even then, AND it will always be more expensive and energy intensive to recycle rather than to make new plastic.

In fact much of the plastic put into plastic recycling bins is redirected to landfills, since it cannot be recycled easily. The plastic industry lies about this, the governments lie about it, and the plastic load continues to build.

These things the plastic industry has conspired to misinform the public about, fearing a ban of plastics. This fear and this conspiracy has been maintained since WWII. The industry has also pressed for the manufacture of single use plastics, encouraging the public to toss our plastic into the trash.

I'm attaching the 8 minute vid and attaching its auto generated transcript as a text file.

Transcript attached:

Supplementary web pages:
Plastics: What’s Recyclable, What Becomes Trash — And Why
Which Plastic Can Be Recycled? | Plastics For Change
Which Plastics Are Recyclable By Number?

It would actually be nice to see things go back to long term quality rather than this plastic junk we have today. The symbol of planned obsolescence.

PureX · Sep 27, 2021

Brickjectivity said:
There is also now a mushroom which can be used as a plastic, and it is biodegradable.

Biodegradable mushroom packaging from Ecovative Designs | The Kid Should See This

I wish you'd give us the benefit of the doubt rather than saying we'll never do it. If USA has proven anything its that we occasionally ban things -- even alcohol. Banning is very easy to vote for, very simple. If people get excited something like that can be a very popular voting item.

The minute anyone suggests doing this the corporate conglomerates and their mouthpieces in the media and in politics will immediately proclaim loudly and often that this will raise the prices of everything, and the minute we think it will cost us something, we'll reject it. None of us can see past the pennies in our pockets. And that's the sad truth. We care about the environment only until it costs us something to protect it. Hell, we pretty much feel the same way about each others, even.

SomeRandom · Sep 27, 2021

Brickjectivity said:
Here's a video 8 minutes long talking about how the plastic recycling industry has conspired to fool us into thinking many plastics are recyclable which actually are not.

The plastic identification numbers on plastic containers is made to falsely imitate a recycling symbol. In truth the triple arrow triangle does not indicate 'Recyclable' at all. Only plastics in categories 1 and 2 have a chance of being recyclable by themselves and not always even then, AND it will always be more expensive and energy intensive to recycle rather than to make new plastic.

In fact much of the plastic put into plastic recycling bins is redirected to landfills, since it cannot be recycled easily. The plastic industry lies about this, the governments lie about it, and the plastic load continues to build.

These things the plastic industry has conspired to misinform the public about, fearing a ban of plastics. This fear and this conspiracy has been maintained since WWII. The industry has also pressed for the manufacture of single use plastics, encouraging the public to toss our plastic into the trash.

I'm attaching the 8 minute vid and attaching its auto generated transcript as a text file.

Transcript attached:

Supplementary web pages:
Plastics: What’s Recyclable, What Becomes Trash — And Why
Which Plastic Can Be Recycled? | Plastics For Change
Which Plastics Are Recyclable By Number?

Didn’t realise countries even still used them. Such items have been banned in my country for years and the items still used are being phased out. The goal being by 2022

VoidCat · Sep 27, 2021

Brickjectivity said:
Here's a video 8 minutes long talking about how the plastic recycling industry has conspired to fool us into thinking many plastics are recyclable which actually are not.

The plastic identification numbers on plastic containers is made to falsely imitate a recycling symbol. In truth the triple arrow triangle does not indicate 'Recyclable' at all. Only plastics in categories 1 and 2 have a chance of being recyclable by themselves and not always even then, AND it will always be more expensive and energy intensive to recycle rather than to make new plastic.

In fact much of the plastic put into plastic recycling bins is redirected to landfills, since it cannot be recycled easily. The plastic industry lies about this, the governments lie about it, and the plastic load continues to build.

These things the plastic industry has conspired to misinform the public about, fearing a ban of plastics. This fear and this conspiracy has been maintained since WWII. The industry has also pressed for the manufacture of single use plastics, encouraging the public to toss our plastic into the trash.

I'm attaching the 8 minute vid and attaching its auto generated transcript as a text file.

Transcript attached:

Supplementary web pages:
Plastics: What’s Recyclable, What Becomes Trash — And Why
Which Plastic Can Be Recycled? | Plastics For Change
Which Plastics Are Recyclable By Number?

Now I've read this this is not a good thing for sure. Companies should not have lied about what is and isn't recyclable. I'll watch vid soon

Revoltingest · Sep 27, 2021

Lyndon said:
So if we ban plastics they will switch to paper and cardboard like products, which further deforestation and increase CO2 emissions

I like how you offered such cromulent evidence in
favor of single use plastics. Agricultural products
(eg, wood) are renewable & compostable (reusable).

crossfire · Sep 27, 2021

ChristineM said:
Single use plastic bags have been banned in france since 2017. Since 2020 much other platic material such as plastic straws, cups and plates have also been banned.

However with the bags there is a loophole, the if the plastic is more than 50 microns thick it is considered reusable although in reality such bags are disposed of after one use.

Personally I won't by from a shop that does not offer paper packaging.

I take my own canvas shopping bags. (I keep them in the trunk of my car.)

Revoltingest · Sep 27, 2021

crossfire said:
I take my own canvas shopping bags. (I keep them in the trunk of my car.)

We use those, & we re-use those single use throw-away bags.
I lhate waste. Yes....I'm a hater.

Brickjectivity · Sep 27, 2021

PureX said:
The minute anyone suggests doing this the corporate conglomerates and their mouthpieces in the media and in politics will immediately proclaim loudly and often that this will raise the prices of everything, and the minute we think it will cost us something, we'll reject it.

That is the language of failure! "We'll never have women's rights! Planes will never fly! No one will watch this stupid Tom & Jerry Cartoon!!!"

PureX said:
And that's the sad truth.

I bet there are economists who speak more optimistically on this topic. I will share an honest to goodness truth. Sometimes there is both a sad truth and a happy truth on the same subject. There is in my experience truly more than one facet to most stones, and what is honest in one sense is false in another. When people say there is a silver lining to every cloud they are referring to this, and its not simply a nice thing to think or say. There really is a positive aspect even in terrible things though we can't always bring ourselves to see it.

PureX said:
We care about the environment only until it costs us something to protect it. Hell, we pretty much feel the same way about each others, even.

That is true for many, and I appreciate the bleeding edge honesty but also think you are over-exasperated. There is energy, yet, to fix this. Look at the ideas people have been putting forward in this thread for instance, and look at the willingness and power people have to change things. The government isn't responsible for every good thing. Sometimes a hero steps forward or a genius and makes things happen.

Kooky · Sep 27, 2021

Lyndon said:
So if we ban plastics they will switch to paper and cardboard like products, which further deforestation and increase CO2 emissions

Still better than plastic in terms of environmental impact.

Kooky · Sep 27, 2021

By the way, I've recently heard through the grapevine that there are literally tons of plastics being thrown away that aren't single use straws and likely aren't essential for certain disabled people. Is there any motion to ban these, or did people simply forget about the myriad other possibilities to remove plastic from their lives once a simplistic wedge issue had been introduced?

Shadow Wolf · Sep 27, 2021

PureX said:
The minute anyone suggests doing this the corporate conglomerates and their mouthpieces in the media and in politics will immediately proclaim loudly and often that this will raise the prices of everything, and the minute we think it will cost us something, we'll reject it. None of us can see past the pennies in our pockets. And that's the sad truth. We care about the environment only until it costs us something to protect it. Hell, we pretty much feel the same way about each others, even.

You say it will never happen, yet there are steps being taken.

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