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Who is right? I give up

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Can someone tell me plainly if their religion is the actual correct one:confused:? You see, I’m trying to figure it out, but I’m just about burnt out investigating. thanks!
This thread is intended to be an exercise in futility :) as there is no way of knowing who is right. My family has a tradition of dying Christian so that’s what I’ve decided to do, and not worry about if we are right or not.

Religion is a personal thing, so whatever works for you is the right one. There is no right one for everyone.
 

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
You seem pretty confident in truths that none of us are gods and that no one know "the truth." ;)
True. For all I know you could be a god lol. Also gods in my faith aren't all-knowing so they might not even know the truth. Well let me rephrase anyway. I don't know the truth I'm just guessing. I know some of the things I believe are wrong I just don't kniw what those beliefs are.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
True. For all I know you could be a god lol. Also gods in my faith aren't all-knowing so they might not even know the truth. Well let me rephrase anyway. I don't know the truth I'm just guessing. I know some of the things I believe are wrong I just don't kniw what those beliefs are.

If you don't know what they are, how do you know they're wrong?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Can someone tell me plainly if their religion is the actual correct one:confused:? You see, I’m trying to figure it out, but I’m just about burnt out investigating. thanks!
This thread is intended to be an exercise in futility :) as there is no way of knowing who is right. My family has a tradition of dying Christian so that’s what I’ve decided to do, and not worry about if we are right or not.
It's really pretty simple. Catholics are right, Jesus, the Son of God entrusted his church to Peter, the first Pope, and we have an unbroken papal line back to him. Other religions, sects and denominations are all interesting in an intellectual exercise kind of way, but if you want a definitive answer, Catholicism. Welcome aboard.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Or as Brian Cox said, A law of physics is a statement about physics that hasn't been falsified yet. However, the procedures of science allow for progress, better and more useful understanding, while also searching for problems and rechecking old conclusions.

And the acid test of every proposed conclusion, the final arbiter in every argument, is reality, the world external to the self; while all the time, as I said, all the conclusions of science are tentative, unprotected from unknown unknowns.
But the central phenomena of religion are all personal, all existing as concepts (and, I'm told, experiences) in individual brains, without counterparts in objective reality.

The observation that all gods are purely conceptual / imaginary can be readily refuted by a satisfactory demonstration of a god in reality, one with objective existence; but there's none.

The ultimate justification for science is that it works, not that can draw absolute conclusions. Physics, medicine, chemistry, actually do things. The world couldn't support its present population without our science and technology, for example.

Since we find supernatural things and beings in all the cultures we know of, clearly they're something humans create, an artifact of our evolution. I suspect their chief function has been to answer unanswerable questions about luck, weather, fertility, death, and so on, and to be part of the tribe's social cohesion, along with language, customs, stories and heroes as parts of each person's identity, and thus reap the benefits of cooperation.
Your experience of a tree is subjective, personal and private as is my experience of a tree. Given this, how would you go about defining an objective experience.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Indeed. And the reason is simple. To point out which religion, if any, is actually correct, that would involve presenting evidence, predictability, testability, independent verifiability.
You mean to say that authentic religions should be scientifically verifiable? What do you believe religions are about? Science?

Personally, I think the measure of authentic religion is love. Not science. But if you wish to apply the above criteria as a thought experiment, lets apply it to this standard which Jesus gave. "By their fruits you shall know them".

Evidence: Do they bear good fruit, examples of which include, "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control"?

Predictability: You should expect to see the above on a mostly consistent basis in most situations.

Testability: Present challenges, or witness reactions during challenges and note the results

Independent verifiability: Examine the findings of others in cross cultural analysis; look for trends; look for inconsistencies, etc.

Note however that authentic religion is not found in just one religion and its doctrines, but any and all which follow the path of love, compasion, and peace. "By their fruits you shall know them" is universal in nature, and not bound to specific groups and their particular beliefs.

On "faith", you can believe anything.
You can, yes. But only if it bears good fruit. Faith is of the heart, not the head. But if you fill your head with garbage, the heart will become polluted and bear bad fruit. So look less at the beliefs, and more at what the heart bears. If the heart bears good fruit, then it is apparent that beliefs are relative, and not absolute. We are not talking science here, but love.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Simply false. I'm not even sure why you would assume that.


It’s not an assumption, it’s an observation.

You may be the exception that proves the rule, but almost everyone you ask - try it if you think I’m wrong - will admit having prayed to something, anything, as a last resort when all else had failed. Those who haven’t prayed in desperation have perhaps not been desperate enough.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
I haven't seen either and never been a huge fan of Communism's propensity for personality cults. I'd probably have lenin buried as he wanted in his will and the Che T-Shirt is laughable for turning him in to a commodity, worn mostly by people who don't know who he is. But I probably could visit Marx's grave one day. :)

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In all seriousness, Highgate Cemetery is well worth a visit. I found the headstone of Malcolm McClaren, the former Sex Pistols manager, last time I was there. People had left safety pins on his grave, which I think he would have appreciated. Don’t think I have a pic of Malcolms grave though…

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Colt

Well-Known Member
Can someone tell me plainly if their religion is the actual correct one:confused:? You see, I’m trying to figure it out, but I’m just about burnt out investigating. thanks!
This thread is intended to be an exercise in futility :) as there is no way of knowing who is right. My family has a tradition of dying Christian so that’s what I’ve decided to do, and not worry about if we are right or not.
That one is seeking God is the "right religion".
 

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
If you don't know what they are, how do you know they're wrong?
I doubt Im right about everything ;) as smart as I may be. Most of what I believe is guess work educated guesses but like if you guess on a test at school you might get some right. More likely you'll get some wrong
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Let me simplify it. The teacher from God is the religion. Moses during his time, following him is the religion. Abraham during his time, following him to worship God is the religion. Following Jesus to Worship God during his time would be the path to God and no other path then that would exist.

There is someone right now that has to be the religion. If we don't have access to him, it maybe because we aren't ready and would accuse him of being a sorcerer if he comes to us. So we should pray to God to make us ready for him and then ask to that God guide us by his hand.

Holy books a lot of them are just about who these people who God favored human upon and regarding, are. And a lot is about why miracles they perform are proofs of God vesting them authority and power.

Much of Quran is just about these guides and their way and the miracles and their relationship to humans.

The earth is never without such a human, be hidden or in public. Right now, I believe he is hidden but if you pray the first chapter of Quran, God will guide you to the guide and path.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Your experience of a tree is subjective, personal and private as is my experience of a tree. Given this, how would you go about defining an objective experience.
I think "objective experience" is a contradiction in terms.

A world exists external to the self, and our senses inform us about it. The objective part is out there, the experience is in here.

There are indeed various attitudes and purposes we can bring to bear when regarding a tree ─ esthetic, botanic, conservationist, clearing, timber, woodchip, and so on. What they have in common is the information, conveyed by the senses, that the tree exists as a tree in that particular part of the world external to the self.

There are also steps we can take to maximize objectivity, as eg the police do with their traffic cameras. We can also test our interpretations against the informed views of others, the consensus principle. We can design our tests involving humans to be double blind, and so on. We can require repeatable experiments where practical.

And if those procedures produce results that work in reality, that success is their justification. Gotta love the Enlightenment!
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Can someone tell me plainly if their religion is the actual correct one:confused:? You see, I’m trying to figure it out, but I’m just about burnt out investigating. thanks!
This thread is intended to be an exercise in futility :) as there is no way of knowing who is right. My family has a tradition of dying Christian so that’s what I’ve decided to do, and not worry about if we are right or not.
If you need somebody else to tell you what's right, then I'm afraid you are not investigating properly. There will never be any evidence external to you about which (if any) religion is "right" or "wrong." That leaves only you...what's right or wrong for you? For your own reasons.
 
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