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Question for Christians: Salvation for uncontacted tribes?

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
In the original I find there was No comma (,) after the word 'thee' at Luke 23:43
Jesus did Not go to paradise or heaven the day Jesus died. Jesus went to hell/grave that day - Acts 2:27.
So, there is No way Jesus offered heaven or paradise the day that the robber died.
Rather, "Verily (truly) I say unto thee today(,) shalt thou be with me in paradise ." ( future tense )
Truly the comma (,) belongs after the word: today.
No one who died before Jesus died was offered heaven - John 3:13
Even King David did Not ascend to Heaven - Acts of the Apostles 2:34
None of the faithful of Hebrews chapter 11 were offered Heaven - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
Jesus opened up the way to Heaven for people like those of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18; Revelation 2:10
The majority of people, Jesus promised that humble meek people will inherit the Earth - Psalms 37:9-11.

Yes, there is danger in placing too much emphasis just on one particular verse:
John 14:6 - Jesus is the way - corresponds to John 10:9; Ephesians 2:18
John 14:6 - Jesus is the truth - corresponds to John 1:14; John 1:17; Ephesians 4:21
John 14:6 - Jesus is the life - corresponds to John 1:4; John 17:3; Romans 6:23
John 14:6 - except through Jesus - corresponds to Acts of the Apostles 4:12

Maybe Jesus didn't have to be in heaven to offer heaven to others? Phoned God to tell him to let them in? (Maybe a 5g network.....5 god?)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Maybe Jesus didn't have to be in heaven to offer heaven to others? Phoned God to tell him to let them in? (Maybe a 5g network.....5 god?)
Perhaps, he could have phoned ahead of time and say (as one would call a worried parent) "Dad, I'm on my way home.".
Don't know if God has a 5g network, but He has a home location (1st Kings chapter 8) however No ZIP code listed.
Then, we find at Hebrews 9:24 that the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus appeared before his God.
That is when God's spirit was then at that time poured out on the first-century Christians at what's called Pentecost.
 

Firelight

Inactive member
Fool or not, Hell is certainly a Christian teaching.

Religions are determined by the beliefs and practices of their members. Plenty of Christians believe in a fiery Hell for non-believers, so that makes it a Christian teaching.

Christianity is a diverse religion. Plenty of other Christians believe the opposite; their belief is a Christian teaching, too.

All the talk in this thread about Bible passages and whatnot is all about opinions of what Christianity ought to be. It's a separate matter from what Christianity is.


The OP addressed Christians. Are you an atheist- former Christian, who thinks he knows everything about Christianity? You don’t. Don’t be so insulting as to put down Christian leaders, dismiss the Bible/scriptures/other teachings, and those who have posted using such. This is a discussion forum, not a debate, although you shouldn’t be rude during a debate, either. You are the one who has chosen not to believe, so don’t spread your misery on a Christian thread.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
The OP addressed Christians.
No, it didn't. It asked a question about Christianity that was addressed to anyone who cared to answer.


Are you an atheist- former Christian, who thinks he knows everything about Christianity? You don’t. Don’t be so insulting as to put down Christian leaders, dismiss the Bible/scriptures/other teachings, and those who have posted using such.
You think that pointing out that religions are made up of the beliefs and practices of their members is an insult? o_O


This is a discussion forum, not a debate, although you shouldn’t be rude during a debate, either. You are the one who has chosen not to believe, so don’t spread your misery on a Christian thread.
You're free to have all the discussions you want, unsullied by non-Christians, in the Discuss Individual Religions or Same Faith Debates areas.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
God will have mercy upon his elect. Predestined, the elect will come Christ without fail; even if it be by personal revelation at the moment of death.

Predestination is based on foreseen cooperation with prevenient grace. Thus a North Sentinelese tribesman's eligibility for salvation depends on his cooperation with the graces God is willing to grant him.
 

Firelight

Inactive member
No, it didn't. It asked a question about Christianity that was addressed to anyone who cared to answer.

Wrong! Have a look:

Question for Christians: Salvation for uncontacted tribes?

Which part of “Question for Christians” do you not understand??

One can find Atheists being rude and spreading their hate and misery on every forum. How many can I get on my blocked list within the first two weeks I’m here?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Wrong! Have a look:

Question for Christians: Salvation for uncontacted tribes?

Which part of “Question for Christians” do you not understand??

One can find Atheists being rude and spreading their hate and misery on every forum. How many can I get on my blocked list within the first two weeks I’m here?
If an atheist responding to a post in an open forum is going to get you foaming at the mouth, then it's probably best for you if you do block me.
 
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