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Where was Jesus Buried.

IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild5559

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TransmutingSoul said:
I see that Logically Jesus was buried and was kept a secret, so that the grave would not be desecrated.
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We know where Jesus is buried -- archaeologists have discovered the ossuary. His box of bones is marked "Yeshua bar Yehosef" (Jesus son of Joseph. Also in the same grave is the ossuary of Miriam (Mary), although I'm not sure if its Mary Magdeline or Mary the mother of Jesus.
 
TransmutingSoul

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cOLTER said:
The mortal body of Jesus was placed in the new tomb of Joseph of Arimathea. After 3 days Jesus returned from death on his own volition in a new form as he promised. His former mortal body vanished.
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So we can then offer that people do not need that body to have faith in Jesus as the Christ. For hundreds of years people have found faith in Christ, without the flesh of Jesus.

There is much wisdom in that thought, I would offer.

Regards Tony
 
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TransmutingSoul

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Terrywoodenpic said:
As A Heretic I hold more to the Christian Unitarian view, Rather than the Trinitarian one.
There are many views within the Christian Spectrum. to the extent that many do not accept that others are Christians at all.
I would go as far as saying I do not understand the God concept , as understood by many Christians.
I would suggest we know nothing for sure about either a Creator or a God, or Gods.
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Yes I would agree, that God can not be known in Essence.

I do see the virtues are all we can know of God, but not about God.

Regards Tony
 
TransmutingSoul

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Clara Tea said:
The law separating church and state prevented churches from preaching in schools, forcing kids of all faiths to respect only their Christian faith. It seemed like paranoia for Christians to say that people were trying to take away their religion. That paranoia became an important rallying point, gaining a lot of votes for their religious right candidate, who then proceeded to make a lot of wars, destroy God's environment, and not address religious issues such as abortion.

Paranoia persists. Why would the remains of Jesus be desecrated? Granted, Jesus was crucified, but that was done and over. There is no need to go after the bones of Jesus.

However, the grave of Jesus would be of great spiritual interest to Christians, and many would be honored to go to his grave site. Why hide it from the world?

How do we know that the body of Jesus was buried under the wall of Jerusalem? How do we know that the body of Jesus was reburied under the Church of the Holy Sepulcher? We could believe the bible....but why? There are plenty of contradictions in the bible. Also, the bible was written more than 100 years after the death of Jesus, and long after all of the apostles had died. The bible was written in ancient times....when men spoke of dragons, sea monsters, and might have believed that the earth was held up by Atlas. There were a lot of myths back then, are we to now believe that their beliefs were all real?
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All good points and questions. I will tackle the one about why is the desecration of a grave was possible and most likely happening.

In the past it was a great insult to do such a thing, you will note that in Islam still to this day, the desecration of graves is still used as a tool to attempt conversion for another Faith. Many Baha'i graves and the Most Holy sites have suffered such a fate.

So I personally see it would have been used in the same way in the time of Christ. The persecution, putting to death and desecration of early Christian bodies would have been used as a tool. To show people themat their God was not worth bowing down to.

In such an atmosphere, it is natural that the body of Jesus was moved to a safe location and that kept a secret amongst a few. Now if that few passed on without disclosing the location to others, then the story ends there, unless some may have know it was moved, but they may not have been privy to the location and that part of the story did continue.

In the end, it is only of interest, the body is not needed to be a good Christian and serve humanity in Love and fellowship.

Regards Tony
 
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IndigoChild5559 said:
We know where Jesus is buried -- archaeologists have discovered the ossuary. His box of bones is marked "Yeshua bar Yehosef" (Jesus son of Joseph. Also in the same grave is the ossuary of Miriam (Mary), although I'm not sure if its Mary Magdeline or Mary the mother of Jesus.
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I had seen that documentary, it Is plausible, but from memory they were unable to confirm this? There was issue about access to a site at the end of that documentary, is that right?

Sorry have to go to work.

Regards Tony
 
ElishaElijah

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This is where Jesus was buried before He rose from the dead:
“Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given to him. When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed. And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the tomb.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:57-61‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
an anarchist

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I don’t think that Jesus is buried, or assumed a spirit body and made His former mortal body vanished. John 20 says that Jesus still had His wounds after the resurrection. So it wasn’t a new body, right? He came back in His old body.

24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

If Jesus assumed a new body, He would not be wounded still.
His Body was spiritual in nature, sure.
 
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Clara Tea said:
Jews are Semites, and so are Arabs. Jews looked like Arabs back then (before mixing with Germans, looking blond, looking White). But once Christ was resurrected, he is described in the bible as having blond (or white) hair, and red eyes. Could it be that someone else posed as Jesus and people thought that someone else was Jesus?

Many assert that Jesus was never nailed to the cross. There is no proof that he was. There is some archaeological evidence that some were (bones have been found with nail marks). But it was also common practice to tie someone to a cross. Some insist that Jesus had been tied, not nailed. How then, is it possible for the body of Jesus to have nail marks if he was never nailed?
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There are many versions of the bible. The bible I have does not describe what he looked like (eye or hair color) after his resurrection. I find it believable that he would’ve had white hair afterward, though, because his body would’ve been in a glorified state following his resurrection. His disciples didn’t recognize him right away, so he may have had an altered appearance such as his hair and eye color. I don’t know about red eyes, I have often pictured him having crystal blue eyes. But, I have no reference for either color, so I don’t know. I don’t believe someone else would’ve been posing as Jesus. No one else would’ve had the nail marks to prove who he was.

Though I am aware that some were tied to their crosses, I believe Jesus was nailed. There is no proof, either way, that I know of other than the Shroud of Turin, if one finds it credible. But, I agree with the references in my bible that say he was nailed to his cross. It’s what I’ve always been taught and what I’ve always chosen to believe.
 
Sonic247

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Firelight said:
There are many versions of the bible. The bible I have does not describe what he looked like (eye or hair color) after his resurrection. I find it believable that he would’ve had white hair afterward, though, because his body would’ve been in a glorified state following his resurrection. His disciples didn’t recognize him right away, so he may have had an altered appearance such as his hair and eye color. I don’t know about red eyes, I have often pictured him having crystal blue eyes. But, I have no reference for either color, so I don’t know. I don’t believe someone else would’ve been posing as Jesus. No one else would’ve had the nail marks to prove who he was.

Though I am aware that some were tied to their crosses, I believe Jesus was nailed. There is no proof, either way, that I know of other than the Shroud of Turin, if one finds it credible. But, I agree with the references in my bible that say he was nailed to his cross. It’s what I’ve always been taught and what I’ve always chosen to believe.
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I believe she is referencing the appearance of Jesus seen by John in the book of revelations, where his eyes appear like coals, which I believe is also how he is seen by Ezekiel. But it has nothing to do with the look of his flesh on earth. But also regarding the fact that just because Jesus rose in the body which some people here seem to reject outright, (though not you i don't think) remember that Jesus also appeared in his glorified state before his crucifixion and Peter John and I believe James saw it.
 
Sonic247

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TransmutingSoul said:
Interesting word Fact, especially in the context of your use.

Regards Tony
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Just a general question, you say the flesh profits nothing which is true in the sense that the flesh cannot save. But if the ministry of Christ only relied on his spirit why did he come as the Word made flesh, and not just as a spirit that appeared to people like he did in the Old Testament?
 
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Sonic247 said:
Just a general question, you say the flesh profits nothing which is true in the sense that the flesh cannot save. But if the ministry of Christ only relied on his spirit why did he come as the Word made flesh, and not just as a spirit that appeared to people like he did in the Old Testament?
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I consider that without the flesh of the OT Prophets, the Spirit that inspired the Message they gave, could not have been told either.

Jesus body was flesh, yet the story of the virgin birth shows us how the Messenger, though born of the womb to appear as a man like us, they are in reality born of the Holy Spirit, born to give a message, chosen of God. The Spirit is the Essence of the Messenger, but the Spirit is not the Essence of God.

There is no short explanation except to say no one has ever seen God, Jesus as Christ revealed God unto us and it is God that chooses the Mesengers.

Regards Tony



We must also consider the story of Jesus with John the Baptist and the Dove.
 
Sonic247

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TransmutingSoul said:
I consider that without the flesh of the OT Prophets, the Spirit that inspired the Message they gave, could not have been told either.

Jesus body was flesh, yet the story of the virgin birth shows us how the Messenger, though born of the womb to appear as a man like us, they are in reality born of the Holy Spirit, born to give a message, chosen of God. The Spirit is the Essence of the Messenger, but the Spirit is not the Essence of God.

There is no short explanation except to say no one has ever seen God, Jesus as Christ revealed God unto us and it is God that chooses the Mesengers.

Regards Tony



We must also consider the story of Jesus with John the Baptist and the Dove.
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Just so I know where you are coming from, do you believe that God is a Trinity and specifically that Jesus existed before becoming a man, or do you believe like some that he was born a man and became one with God later?
 
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Sonic247 said:
Just so I know where you are coming from, do you believe that God is a Trinity and specifically that Jesus existed before becoming a man, or do you believe like some that he was born a man and became one with God later?
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The Christ aspect of Jesus is the Holy Spirit, which is the first and the last, the beginning and the end the Alpha and Omega, it is the cause of creation, given of God, but it can not define God. The Holy Spirit is all we can Know of God in Attributes, but the attributes do not define God, God is above all praise and attributes. All the Messengers who are the exponents of that Holy Spirit, who give the Messages are pre-existing in that spirit. The body of man is given a soul at conception, but the Mesengers are born of the eternal Holy Spirit. This is a way to understand what the virgin birth is telling us.

You will note all the Prophets have a time when the first spoke to or of God, with Moses we see the Metephor of the Burning Bush and with Jesus the Dove at Baptism, with Muhammad it was the Angel Gabriel, with the Bab the severed head of Imam Ali and with Baha'u'llah, it was the Maid of Heaven. Piror to this time, they would most likely been aware of who they were, but had not yet been called to deliver the Message to Humanity.

There is lots to talk about in this topic now.

Regards Tony
 
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TransmutingSoul said:
I consider that without the flesh of the OT Prophets, the Spirit that inspired the Message they gave, could not have been told either.

Jesus body was flesh, yet the story of the virgin birth shows us how the Messenger, though born of the womb to appear as a man like us, they are in reality born of the Holy Spirit, born to give a message, chosen of God. The Spirit is the Essence of the Messenger, but the Spirit is not the Essence of God.

There is no short explanation except to say no one has ever seen God, Jesus as Christ revealed God unto us and it is God that chooses the Mesengers.

Regards Tony



We must also consider the story of Jesus with John the Baptist and the Dove.
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Or the story of the virgin birth was just made up to make it look as if Jesus fulfilled a nonprophesy. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophesies so they needed something to call him the messiah.
 
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Subduction Zone said:
Or the story of the virgin birth was just made up to make it look as if Jesus fulfilled a nonprophesy. Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophesies so they needed something to call him the messiah.
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You are free to see it in that way.

Personally I have Faith Jesus was Christ and indeed a Messiah. Annointed with a Message from G_d.

All the best and Regards Tony
 
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