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Covid-19 death toll equals and will likely exceed the 1918-1919 flu pandemic

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Covid-19 death toll equals and will likely exceed the 1918-1919 flu pandemic
Today, 08:42 AM

In an early thread concerning the Covid-19 pandemic I proposed the possibility that Covid-19 may hang around for years and possibly may become endemic to the human population like some other viruses. The problem appears that COVID-19 may not have as much a seasonal nature as other viruses. Fortunately the vvaccines are very effects. Unfortunately the COVID-19 pandemic still rages among the unvaccinated' particularly in the Southern states.

During the 1918-19 flu pandemic masks and social distancing were found to reduce impact of the pandemic. Philadelphia refused to stop a parade despite warnings from medical officials, and in the flu raged there with high fatalities more than some other cities.

Source: Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic



Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic


More than 1,900 people are dying in the US daily on average – the highest level since early March
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Soldiers at Camp Funston in Kansas recover from the influenza pandemic in 1918. Photograph: Us Army/ReutersAssociated PressMon 20 Sep 2021 22.11 EDT Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic – more than 675,000.

The US population a century ago was just one-third of what it is today, meaning the flu cut a much bigger, more lethal swath through the country. But the Covid-19 crisis is by any measure a colossal tragedy in its own right, especially given the incredible advances in scientific knowledge since then and the failure to take maximum advantage of the vaccines available this time.



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“Big pockets of American society – and, worse, their leaders – have thrown this away,” said Dr Howard Markel a medical historian at the University of Michigan.

Like the 1918-19 flu, the coronavirus may never entirely disappear from our midst. Instead, scientists hope it becomes a mild seasonal bug as human immunity strengthens through vaccination and repeated infection. That could take time. Everett/REX/Shutterstock
“We hope it will be like getting a cold, but there’s no guarantee,” said Rustom Antia, a biologist at Emory University, who suggests an optimistic scenario in which this could happen over a few years.

For now, the pandemic still has the United States and other parts of the world firmly in its jaws.

While the Delta variant-fueled surge in infections may have peaked, US deaths are more than 1,900 a day on average – the highest level since early March – and the country’s overall toll topped 675,000 Monday, according to the count kept by Johns Hopkins University, though the real number is believed to be higher.

Winter may bring a new surge, with the University of Washington’s influential model projecting an additional 100,000 or so Americans will die of Covid-19 by 1 January, which would bring the overall US toll to 776,000.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
There is an interesting story from my experience concerning the 1918-1919 Flu Pandemic when I first learned of it about in 1975. The odd thing was it was not addressed in most if not all history textbooks up until that time. I was working in Richie County, WV near Cairo West Virginia on the Soil Survey..I found a very large survey next to a mall church. The graves went back to the 1700's with some early graves unmarked. I was shocked to see many graves dated in 1919 included what appeared ro be whole families. One of the families was Moneypenny. Later I was working on the Moneypenny farm and met an elderly John Moneypenny. On the wall were two photos of two generations on Moneypenny's 1ith 13 children in each generation. I asked him about the large number of 1919 Moneypenny graves next to the small church. He pointed to the 1919 family picture on the wall that had two army troops in uniform, and satd, "See the young toe headed (blond) boy that's me. I was the only survivor of 'Spanish Flu Pandemic' (Not the best term for the pandemic) in my family. It was ar this time I began an intense research of the 1918-1919 Flu Pandemic, and other pandemics in history.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I just wonder what happens next in this world-wide craziness of refusal to wear masks and refusal to get vaccinated and even denial that Covid is real.

Will they stop obeying traffic lights as an infringement on their liberty?
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
We can affirm that science didn't fail, it was a portion of the public that failed us all. And that portion is those who have adopted political rhetoric that is anti-vaccination.
I think you'll find the real villian is The Left! who rather villainously backed the Trump voter and other people with undiagnosed early-onset dementia into a corner with their "let's not overwhelm the health services, please wear a mask, stay at home, get a vaccine when you can, etc" chat. They were left with no choice but to risk everyone's lives in order to Own The Libs. If the socialists hadn't been so keen on lockdowns, masks and vaccines the I-did-my-own-research cohort could have safely taken their medicine and not had to worry that a damn communist encouraged it.

And that seriously is the thrust of an argument put forward on Breitbart with an apparently straight face.

"Could it be…? Could it possibly be that the left has manipulated huge swathes of Trump voters into believing they are owning the left by not taking the life-saving Trump Vaccine?"
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
I just wonder what happens next in this world-wide craziness of refusal to wear masks and refusal to get vaccinated and even denial that Covid is real.

Will they stop obeying traffic lights as an infringement on their liberty?
Only if Howard Stern, Fauci or Hilary Clinton ask them to, apparently.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
More than 1,900 people are dying in the US daily on average – the highest level since early March

The same people that are not getting vaccinated are the ones who are always concerned "for the children".
Ban porn, save the children.
Ban drugs, save the children.
Ban alcohol, save the children.

Yet, when it comes to Covid, it's all about "my body, my choice".

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...hildren-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/
As of September 16, over 5.5 million children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic. Nearly 226,000 cases were added the past week, the third highest number of child cases in a week since the pandemic began. After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with over 925,000 cases in the past 4 weeks.

The age distribution of reported COVID-19 cases was provided on the health department websites of 49 states, New York City, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and Guam. Since the pandemic began, children represented 15.7% of total cumulated cases. For the week ending September 16, children were 25.7% of reported weekly COVID-19 cases (children, under age 18, make up 22.2% of the US population).

Fortunately(?) so far it's only killed about 500 under age 18.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Will they stop obeying traffic lights as an infringement on their liberty?

Allow me to restore your faith in humanity... :D

Peking, August 24th 1966.

It will be red for go and green for stop on Peking streets if one group of the Red Guards – vanguard of China’s new “cultural revolution” – gets its way.

The Guards plastered posters on the city’s walls today which said that red was the colour of revolution and should be used as a signal for traffic to go forward. Observers said the posters did not appear to be authorised by the Government but to be a suggestion of an individual group of guards.

Great leap forward at traffic lights in China – archive, 25 Aug 1966

Finally, during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, some battalions of Red Guards would gather at traffic lights, forcing drivers to stop at the green light and go once it had turned red – supposedly because red was the colour of Communism[citation needed]. Due to some traffic light systems being unmanned, drivers at these crossings would often[vague] go at the green light – causing collisions where a neighboring lights system was hijacked and all the drivers were going at red.[citation needed] Officially, the idea of "Red lights mean go" was never adopted by the regime.

Rules of the road in China - Wikipedia
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I just wonder what happens next in this world-wide craziness of refusal to wear masks and refusal to get vaccinated and even denial that Covid is real.

Will they stop obeying traffic lights as an infringement on their liberty?
If those things become politicized, then yes.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Allow me to restore your faith in humanity... :D

Peking, August 24th 1966.

It will be red for go and green for stop on Peking streets if one group of the Red Guards – vanguard of China’s new “cultural revolution” – gets its way.

The Guards plastered posters on the city’s walls today which said that red was the colour of revolution and should be used as a signal for traffic to go forward. Observers said the posters did not appear to be authorised by the Government but to be a suggestion of an individual group of guards.

Great leap forward at traffic lights in China – archive, 25 Aug 1966

Finally, during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, some battalions of Red Guards would gather at traffic lights, forcing drivers to stop at the green light and go once it had turned red – supposedly because red was the colour of Communism[citation needed]. Due to some traffic light systems being unmanned, drivers at these crossings would often[vague] go at the green light – causing collisions where a neighboring lights system was hijacked and all the drivers were going at red.[citation needed] Officially, the idea of "Red lights mean go" was never adopted by the regime.

Rules of the road in China - Wikipedia
And then there's also the frequent ritual
of the Chinese Fire Drill.....
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ecco

Veteran Member
Allow me to restore your faith in humanity... :D

Peking, August 24th 1966.

It will be red for go and green for stop on Peking streets if one group of the Red Guards – vanguard of China’s new “cultural revolution” – gets its way.

The Guards plastered posters on the city’s walls today which said that red was the colour of revolution and should be used as a signal for traffic to go forward. Observers said the posters did not appear to be authorised by the Government but to be a suggestion of an individual group of guards.

Great leap forward at traffic lights in China – archive, 25 Aug 1966

Finally, during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, some battalions of Red Guards would gather at traffic lights, forcing drivers to stop at the green light and go once it had turned red – supposedly because red was the colour of Communism[citation needed]. Due to some traffic light systems being unmanned, drivers at these crossings would often[vague] go at the green light – causing collisions where a neighboring lights system was hijacked and all the drivers were going at red.[citation needed] Officially, the idea of "Red lights mean go" was never adopted by the regime.

Rules of the road in China - Wikipedia


It's encouraging to see that we (USA) do not have a monopoly on kooks.

However, I do hope the Trump Sheeples don't find about about this. I can see driving through a red neck town in Alabama and getting a ticket for driving through a green light.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Covid-19 death toll equals and will likely exceed the 1918-1919 flu pandemic
Today, 08:42 AM

In an early thread concerning the Covid-19 pandemic I proposed the possibility that Covid-19 may hang around for years and possibly may become endemic to the human population like some other viruses. The problem appears that COVID-19 may not have as much a seasonal nature as other viruses. Fortunately the vvaccines are very effects. Unfortunately the COVID-19 pandemic still rages among the unvaccinated' particularly in the Southern states.

During the 1918-19 flu pandemic masks and social distancing were found to reduce impact of the pandemic. Philadelphia refused to stop a parade despite warnings from medical officials, and in the flu raged there with high fatalities more than some other cities.

Source: Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic



Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic


More than 1,900 people are dying in the US daily on average – the highest level since early March
1024.jpg


Soldiers at Camp Funston in Kansas recover from the influenza pandemic in 1918. Photograph: Us Army/ReutersAssociated PressMon 20 Sep 2021 22.11 EDT Covid-19 has now killed as many Americans as the 1918-19 flu pandemic – more than 675,000.

The US population a century ago was just one-third of what it is today, meaning the flu cut a much bigger, more lethal swath through the country. But the Covid-19 crisis is by any measure a colossal tragedy in its own right, especially given the incredible advances in scientific knowledge since then and the failure to take maximum advantage of the vaccines available this time.



Read more
“Big pockets of American society – and, worse, their leaders – have thrown this away,” said Dr Howard Markel a medical historian at the University of Michigan.

Like the 1918-19 flu, the coronavirus may never entirely disappear from our midst. Instead, scientists hope it becomes a mild seasonal bug as human immunity strengthens through vaccination and repeated infection. That could take time. Everett/REX/Shutterstock
“We hope it will be like getting a cold, but there’s no guarantee,” said Rustom Antia, a biologist at Emory University, who suggests an optimistic scenario in which this could happen over a few years.

For now, the pandemic still has the United States and other parts of the world firmly in its jaws.

While the Delta variant-fueled surge in infections may have peaked, US deaths are more than 1,900 a day on average – the highest level since early March – and the country’s overall toll topped 675,000 Monday, according to the count kept by Johns Hopkins University, though the real number is believed to be higher.

Winter may bring a new surge, with the University of Washington’s influential model projecting an additional 100,000 or so Americans will die of Covid-19 by 1 January, which would bring the overall US toll to 776,000.

Do you see anything wrong with the following picture?? At WWE wrestling events around 50,000 attend them also and most are maskless.

IMG_20210921_191756.jpg
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is still hard to directly compare the too. Passing the number of deaths does not mean that much because our population is a little over three times our population at that time. This on the face of it would imply that the Spanish Flu was worse. But then our ability to save lives when it comes to such infections is much greater now than it was then. This could make Covid19 actually worse. For me it is accurate enough to say that both were about just as bad all things considered.

Get vaccinated people. It does three things. It greatly lowers your chance of dying. It greatly lowers the chance of you getting the disease in the first place.. And most important of all it greatly reduces your odds of unknowingly passing it one and killing other people.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I think you'll find the real villian is The Left! who rather villainously backed the Trump voter and other people with undiagnosed early-onset dementia into a corner with their "let's not overwhelm the health services, please wear a mask, stay at home, get a vaccine when you can, etc" chat. They were left with no choice but to risk everyone's lives in order to Own The Libs. If the socialists hadn't been so keen on lockdowns, masks and vaccines the I-did-my-own-research cohort could have safely taken their medicine and not had to worry that a damn communist encouraged it.
I know. It's horrible that a political side actually respects science and defers to what experts say. How can we go on living when we have a political side that understands the nature of viral infection and works to advocate for society to follow expert advice to help reduce the spread of a deadly virus. Obviously what society should be doing is spreading as much virus as possible so the weak and unfortunate die off, and ignore the millions of deaths that would occur in year because we did nothing but mind our own business. That is assuming we would survive getting Covid, which is a huge gamble.

And that seriously is the thrust of an argument put forward on Breitbart with an apparently straight face.

"Could it be…? Could it possibly be that the left has manipulated huge swathes of Trump voters into believing they are owning the left by not taking the life-saving Trump Vaccine?"
A new one is that democrats asked everyone to get vaccinated knowing that conservatives would immediately resist, and as a result more conservatives would die, and democrats benefit. So conservatives are blaming democrats because conservatives want to oppose anything democrats advocate for.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Do you see anything wrong with the following picture?? At WWE wrestling events around 50,000 attend them also and most are maskless.

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Sports are big business, and at this point we as a nation just don't give a **** about people dying anymore.

But many venues are requiring proof of vaccination, like the LV Raiders. Good for them. That will at least reduce the danger. And being outside is an immediate advantage. Classrooms are not even in the same category.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
A new one is that democrats asked everyone to get vaccinated knowing that conservatives would immediately resist, and as a result more conservatives would die, and democrats benefit. So conservatives are blaming democrats because conservatives want to oppose anything democrats advocate for.
:confused::confused::confused:o_Oo_O:confused::confused: That kind of reasoning make my head hurt. They should have taken it one step further in their "reasoning" and go a vaccination to spite the Democrats.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
:confused::confused::confused:o_Oo_O:confused::confused: That kind of reasoning make my head hurt. They should have taken it one step further in their "reasoning" and go a vaccination to spite the Democrats.
It occurred to me that if trump had stayed in office that he probably would have told people to get vaccinated and they would. I suspect one reason so much right wing media opposed vaccination was because Biden won, and to oppose anything democrats advocate for is what they do for their audience.

So that's a dark thought. We can't win.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It occurred to me that if trump had stayed in office that he probably would have told people to get vaccinated and they would. I suspect one reason so much right wing media opposed vaccination was because Biden won, and to oppose anything democrats advocate for is what they do for their audience.

So that's a dark thought. We can't win.
Well except that Covid19 is harming the base of Republicans more than anyone else. Before the vaccination it was an equal opportunity killer. Now it can be shown to be worse in blue counties than red counties. Mississippi now has the highest deaths per capita of any state. In fact it is so bad that if Mississippi was a country it would have the world's second highest deaths per capita of all countries except for Peru. That might make a difference in the next election. It would only be able to affect close elections but just look at our last one.
 
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