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Most "SCARY" invention of mankind. What is it?

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Some atheists claim that religion is the one. Some theists claim non-religion is the one. Some people think the nuclear bomb is the one. Others think the nuclear bomb is necessary, thus it is a response to other things that are scary. Some people think that missiles are the scariest invention of mankind, while others call some missiles "peace keepers". Some people thought in history, the "lightning bringing stick" referring to the gun as the one. Some others may think a rebellion is the one.

What do you think is the scariest thing mankind ever invented? Why do you think that is?
Man-made interpretation of Holy Books.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Why is that so scary or rather, "the most scary"?
First, I tell you, there is a few Hadithes from the Prophet, telling His companions, and warning them of those who will interpret Quran to suit their own wishes and selfishness. Then He goes on and says, this is what will kill you!

Besides that, we see, the majority of wars, tyranny, and conflicts in the history have been happening through the use of Holy Books. This happened in Christianity, centuries ago, and is happening in Islam today. This is how various sects have been invented, because each claim their own interpretation is the correct one, and they are the only true Islam. Same happened among Christians, and the rest. It is a deep subject. So, I rather keep it as that.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Besides that, we see, the majority of wars, tyranny, and conflicts in the history have been happening through the use of Holy Books.

Thats false. Majority of wars in the history are for political reasons. You can read "encyclopaedia of wars by Charles and Allen" to confirm if you wish.

First, I tell you, there is a few Hadithes from the Prophet, telling His companions

I thought you said holy books. So who thinks ahadith are "holy books"? Can you specifically pinpoint who thinks this particular hadith you are speaking about was "Holy"? Who did that kind of authentication?

Thanks.
 
But societies have generally evolved to be less autocratic, and more democratic; though of course this process can go into reverse.

Still, liberties and opportunities many of us take for granted, would have been unthinkable for any but the most privileged elite, in any society, less than three centuries ago.

And it could have been very different indeed if any one of the several nuclear 'near-misses' had turned into a nuclear war. That they didn't was largely good luck. Or perhaps if the Nazis had won WW2.

Technological progress tends to bring the good and the bad. New ways of healing and empowering, new ways of killing and oppressing.

Social progress (if such a thing exists) is largely the consequence of circumstance and forces beyond direct control.

Progress is really the idea that humans can transcend their biological nature via their force of will. It might be a relatively benign view such as Secular Humanism or a violent millenarian one like Soviet Communism.

Either way, trying to create a society that ignores human nature is doomed to failure.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
Thats false. Majority of wars in the history are for political reasons. You can read "encyclopaedia of wars by Charles and Allen" to confirm if you wish.



I thought you said holy books. So who thinks ahadith are "holy books"? Can you specifically pinpoint who thinks this particular hadith you are speaking about was "Holy"? Who did that kind of authentication?

Thanks.
Politics is mixed with Religion in such countries and in fact the Religious fanaticism is behind all politics.


Just as the Quran is a source of religion, so is Hadithes.
I see people who like to interpret verses of Quran according to their own personal opinions and to suit themselves, don't like to follow the interpretations as understood from Hadithes. For this reason they reject Hadithes so, instead they can interpret the verses to say whatever they want it!

Hadithes are confirmed in the Quran and logically make sense too.
The Quran asks the believers to obey God AND the Prophet, meaning not just the Quran but also whatever the Prophet says(I.e. Hadithes). Logically makes sense too, because no one other then the Peophet can claim knows interpretation of Quran perfectly. All Muslims agree that no one knows Quran perfectly. Moreveover for a believer, it is obvious that, how could God give a Holy Book, but does not provide its correct interpretation? Of course He did provide its interpretation, as those are the Hadithes. Hope you understand.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Some atheists claim that religion is the one. Some theists claim non-religion is the one. Some people think the nuclear bomb is the one. Others think the nuclear bomb is necessary, thus it is a response to other things that are scary. Some people think that missiles are the scariest invention of mankind, while others call some missiles "peace keepers". Some people thought in history, the "lightning bringing stick" referring to the gun as the one. Some others may think a rebellion is the one.

What do you think is the scariest thing mankind ever invented? Why do you think that is?
Torture
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Politics is mixed with Religion in such countries and in fact the Religious fanaticism is behind all politics.

Yeah. But you should do more research. What you said is false.

Just as the Quran is a source of religion, so is Hadithes.

Thats false too.

Hadithes are confirmed in the Quran and logically make sense too.

Thats also false.

You are just making false statements to support your original false claim.

1. Ahadith is never, ever, considered to be a source of religion just as the Qur'an. You know this, but you are just making statements since you cannot withdraw from your claim. In ahadith studies, it is called Thabanni wa rafaadh. So your claim is absolutely false.

2. The word Hadith used in the Qur'an is absolutely for something else, so if you dont know, just ask someone rather than making false claims.

3. Only 7% of all wars ever recorded are attributed to religious motivation. And evidence for that is as I said "the encyclopaedia of wars". Of course you are not interested in doing that research because you have some other interest and the research would conflict with your interest.

If you are genuinely interested in being genuine in what you say, you would do the research. Anyway, you have stated your faith so prior to this thread being turned into an absolutely different topic I shall withdraw from your conversation.

Edit: If you wish, I can open another thread for this topic and you can justify your claims there.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member

Wow. I never thought of that. Yep, torture is honestly truly scary. Some time ago I have read something about torture, and one particular Chinese torture technique truly mortified me. Now that I think of it, to invent this kind of thing you have to be seriously mad, genius and inhuman.

But why is torture the scariest thing invented by humans?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
They have no choice and they are sent to religious schools (me included) and taught faith as fact,I feel this to be dishonest and a breach of their right to choose.

For the proselytising religions this includes threats of eternal torture which is pretty scary for anyone let alone a child.
It can also be traumatic and lead to a difficult childhood that leads to a maladjusted adulthood.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Wow. I never thought of that. Yep, torture is honestly truly scary. Some time ago I have read something about torture, and one particular Chinese torture technique truly mortified me. Now that I think of it, to invent this kind of thing you have to be seriously mad, genius and inhuman.

But why is torture the scariest thing invented by humans?
I think that Torture is the scariest invention, because it can be all kinds of agony which doesn't have t end.
Any kind of killing ends life.
Torture can be endless agony without death.

Humans have learned to be very good at it. For instance, the Romans could punish with the (mostly) three day agony of crucifixion, where the victim actually keeps themself alive by pushing upwards for breaths and to relive from various agonies, and it goes on and on....

Christians figured out an even better SCARY........ the strong belief than any who deserved it would exist in permanent flaming agony for ever, and ever, amen. So SCARY can be delivered by the threat of endless enduring agony.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I think that Torture is the scariest invention, because it can be all kinds of agony which doesn't have t end.
Any kind of killing ends life.
Torture can be endless agony without death.

Humans have learned to be very good at it. For instance, the Romans could punish with the (mostly) three day agony of crucifixion, where the victim actually keeps themself alive by pushing upwards for breaths and to relive from various agonies, and it goes on and on....

Christians figured out an even better SCARY........ the strong belief than any who deserved it would exist in permanent flaming agony for ever, and ever, amen. So SCARY can be delivered by the threat of endless enduring agony.

So your ultimate aim was to speak about this after life torture. Thats what you think is the most scary invention of mankind.

Thanks for the clarification.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
What do you think is the scariest thing mankind ever invented? Why do you think that is?

Seems to me in Scripture we find Satan rebelling against God's Sovereignty, God's way of governing.
When Adam and Eve followed in Satan's footsteps, so to speak, Adam set up People Rule as superior to God's Rule.
In other words, Adam set up People Rule (rule by humans) as being superior to God.
What has Human Rule accomplished: but that MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, MAN's injury.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
...................Christians figured out an even better SCARY........ the strong belief than any who deserved it would exist in permanent flaming agony for ever, and ever, amen. So SCARY can be delivered by the threat of endless enduring agony.

Christians, or rather 'so-called Christians' (aka Christendom) that teach permanent flaming agony forever and ever.
After the first century ended, then many fake 'weed/tares' Christians developed and they wrongly teach after-death fire.
Jesus taught in death there is 'sleep' ( No pain in sleep ) - John 11:11-14
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach 'sleep' in death (R.I.P.)
- Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
Even the word cemetery means " sleeping place " Not torture place.
So, don't blame the genuine 'wheat' Christians, but the fake 'weed/tares' who are the MANY of Matthew 7:21-23.
MANY would come in Jesus' name but prove false.
 

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
Some atheists claim that religion is the one. Some theists claim non-religion is the one. Some people think the nuclear bomb is the one. Others think the nuclear bomb is necessary, thus it is a response to other things that are scary. Some people think that missiles are the scariest invention of mankind, while others call some missiles "peace keepers". Some people thought in history, the "lightning bringing stick" referring to the gun as the one. Some others may think a rebellion is the one.

What do you think is the scariest thing mankind ever invented? Why do you think that is?
I assume, when you say "scary" you mean that has the most potential for negative use?
In my POV religion is far far behind in relation to nuclear knowledge.
It is even farther than the threat of AI.

People who use religion to control people, are the same kind of people that will use technology, politics, money, and any other mean they have in order to gain control.
You could say, that many religious people, for their own better understanding of their religion, they should learn more about how things work in reality.
Religion is going through evolution, just as any other thing we know, life, language, social behaviors. it all works the same.
Take it to whatever you wish from there, but the fact is this is how things work.

I see it that way... if you fear non religion or religion, you are basically missing a lot out of the whole.
same goes for any other fear, if you fear rich or poor, you are missing a lot out of the whole.
 
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