Worship of the Personal Self

The Hammer said:

Than why tout it as such?

"jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?"

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i would hazard to guess, Matthew 7:21-23.

they are trying to fawn their way into heaven

Aupmanyav said:

Why do people present their beliefs as universal truths?

Quite simple. Not everyone is a Christian or believes in Jesus. People have other views too and worship idols, men or beasts, whatever. Is that difficult to understand?Not everyone will agree to this. Many do not believe in spirits or God.

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i have learned that many, many christians don't understand that they are committing idolatry. idolatry is forbidden in both the OT and the NT.

Fool said:

jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?


ecclesiastes 3:18-21

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Because they're not a believer of Jesus?
Because they're not a member of Christianity?

Fool said:

jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit


so why do some worship a man? a beast?


ecclesiastes 3:18-21

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Ecclesiastes 3:18-21 was equating the fate of man with that of all animals, or beasts. He was not referring to man as having entirely the same ontology of a beast, but as far as his corporeal essence is concerned, both were created from the dust of the earth, and both will end up there upon death. From the eyes of a human, the apparent dignity is the same, one for the other, for who knows what the actual outcome of each is after death.

But, man was also created in the image of God, therefore he has a spiritual dimension to his constitution. And it is the awareness and insights that such a spirit offers that allows him to both recognize and relate to God, and thus, pray to, and worship Him accordingly.

Pudding said:

Because they're not a believer of Jesus?
Because they're not a member of Christianity?

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jesus wasn't christian by modern day terms. he was very much jewish

DNB said:

Ecclesiastes 3:18-21 was equating the fate of man with that of all animals, or beasts. He was not referring to man as having entirely the same ontology of a beast, but as far as his corporeal essence is concerned, both were created from the dust of the earth, and both will end up there upon death. From the eyes of a human, the apparent dignity is the same, one for the other, for who knows what the actual outcome of each is after death.

But, man was also created in the image of God, therefore he has a spiritual dimension to his constitution. And it is the awareness and insights that such a spirit offers that allows him to both recognize and relate to God, and thus, pray to, and worship Him accordingly.

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everything was created as god reflected. god said let there be and it was. an image can be a reflection, vision of the mind(spirit)

Fool said:

everything was created as god reflected. god said let there be and it was. an image can be a reflection, vision of the mind(spirit)

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Ii is axiomatic that man is the only creature on earth that has a spiritual dimension to his ontology. No other created being prays to a deity, considers morality, or behaves in a manner that defies his intelligence (pretense, jealousy, greed, gluttony, vice, hypocrisy, mercy, compassion, altruism, etc...).

DNB said:

Ii is axiomatic that man is the only creature on earth that has a spiritual dimension to his ontology. No other created being prays to a deity, considers morality, or behaves in a manner that defies his intelligence (pretense, jealousy, greed, gluttony, vice, hypocrisy, mercy, compassion, altruism, etc...).

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the only difference between man and other beasts is the idea of having an image and projecting it into reality. basically the idea of a figurative, idea, thought, concept, and bringing that into a third dimensional realization. some animals can do that on a rudimentary level like nest building, or using a tool to gather food, but humans are aware of things that they theorize exist and go searching for them.

Fool said:

the only difference between man and other beasts is the idea of having an image and projecting it into reality. basically the idea of a figurative, idea, thought, concept, and bringing that into a third dimensional realization. some animals can do that on a rudimentary level like nest building, or using a tool to gather food, but humans are aware of things that they theorize exist and go searching for them.

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No, acting upon the figments of one's imagination is not intelligence, but psychosis. If God does not exist, then the religious and worshippers are insane. You've misconstrued spiritualism for intellect.

DNB said:

No, acting upon the figments of one's imagination is not intelligence, but psychosis. If God does not exist, then the religious and worshippers are insane. You've misconstrued spiritualism for intellect.

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you're a figment of god's imaginative being. in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word became you.

DNB said:

If God does not exist, then the religious and worshipers are insane.

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No, that is not correct. IMHO, they are ignorant, brain-washed, superstitious, or parasites who benefit by religious belief of such people. The insane, psychotics exists among all people, not necessarily among the religious only, though the % there may be more.

Fool said:

you're a figment of god's imaginative being. in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word became you.

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No, there is God, who is the only divine being in the universe, transcendent, sovereign and all powerful. There is the angelic realm who are created spirits, and then there is creatures on earth. Only man, as far as the earthly creatures are concerned, is endowed with the spirit of God, as are angels.

Aupmanyav said:

No, that is not correct. IMHO, they are ignorant, brain-washed, superstitious, or parasites who benefit by religious belief of such people. The insane, psychotics exists among all people, not necessarily among the religious only, though the % there may be more.

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I wasn't defining a percentage or attempting to create a dichotomy between the clinically insane and the mentally delusional, or charlatans. If there is no God, then prayers, temples and altars are for fools and the deranged. Call them what you like, for either way they are unsound in their perceptions, rationale and convictions.

Scientific human stated God status.

We are all humans.

Humans living thinking talk about God states.

O earth a God.
Heavens gas spirit from earth.
Water and oxygen.

God teachings in science all bodies of masses. Pre existing mass formed in spatial history.

Human not in the God science terms as the scientific status just science.

Pretty basic common sense. Dont need a science degree to think obvious human thoughts.

God is reverenced in its one owned god bodies mass.

A human. I look at any human first. Even science by human conditions see the first human status is a human.

You do not claim.i see a beast.

To science a beast is an animal.

To an occult theist they have different meanings.

Science by human holy status I am not the science status.

To describe beyond by human choice to apply the study.

If a dimwitted human said some chemicals found in a human is compared to an animal. You the scientist as a human compared it.

Doesn't make you any God.

DNB said:

No, there is God, who is the only divine being in the universe, transcendent, sovereign and all powerful. There is the angelic realm who are created spirits, and then there is creatures on earth. Only man, as far as the earthly creatures are concerned, is endowed with the spirit of God, as are angels.

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transcendent doesn't mean separate. jesus said god the father was spirit and that he must be worshiped in Spirit. nothing can exist apart from god. nothing was made outside/apart from it.


john 1:3

Fool said:

transcendent doesn't mean separate. jesus said god the father was spirit and that he must be worshiped in Spirit. nothing can exist apart from god. nothing was made outside/apart from it.


john 1:3

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In this context it definitively means separate , incorporeal, immaterial, omnipresent, incorruptible, immutable, all-powerful, self-existing, etc...