Worship of the Personal Self

Nakosis · Sep 17, 2021

Fool said:
no worship themselves above others. if god is pantheist then god is in all. if god is omnipresent, then god is in all

Then wouldn't the worship of self be the worship of God, if God is omnipresent?
I doubt man can fathom omnipresence anyway. If God is unknowable due to the omnis, can man really worship the unknowable? At best we can only worship a concept of God. One that we create for ourselves. Is the worship of other any better or worse than the worship of self? God is neither. In the process of worship, we can only miss the mark.

Fool · Sep 17, 2021

Nakosis said:
Then wouldn't the worship of self be the worship of God, if God is omnipresent?
I doubt man can fathom omnipresence anyway. If God is unknowable due to the omnis, can man really worship the unknowable? At best we can only worship a concept of God. One that we create for ourselves. Is the worship of other any better or worse than the worship of self? God is neither. In the process of worship, we can only miss the mark.

not if the worshiper is a dualist. the worshiper wouldn't acknowledge christ in all, or other as self. the dualist wouldn't recognize the intrinsic spirit of christ in the poor and needy. and if they did, they would only be rendering service to other as self to enter into heaven. basically buying their way in vs receiving help from the otherside by a loved one

Nakosis · Sep 17, 2021

Fool said:
not if the worshiper is a dualist. there worshiper wouldn't acknowledge christ in all, or other as self. the dualist wouldn't recognize the intrinsic spirit of christ in the poor and needy. and if they did, they would only be rendering service to other as self to enter into heaven. basically buying their way in vs receiving help from the otherside by a loved one

Well it has always be easier to point to the mote in the eye of the other.

TransmutingSoul · Sep 17, 2021

Fool said:
kinda like a cargo cult for some though. a messenger comes with a spiritual message, a spiritual gift. the gift, the message is the important thing, the delivery has been made. Will the person be delivered into the Spirit of Oneness?

many will come from the east and west to sit down at the table with Abraham/Brahman. come gather together for that great supper that all share in communion one with another.

If you are quoting Matthew 8:11

"And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven"

Then yes that is the feast offered, one God provides all the food for all who take up the offerings placed on the feast table, and it all started in 1844, and it continues, and the invitation is open.

Regards Tony

Fool · Sep 17, 2021

TransmutingSoul said:
If you are quoting Matthew 8:11

"And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven"

Then yes that is the feast offered, one God provides all the food for all who take up the offerings placed on the feast table, and it all started in 1844, and it continues, and the invitation is open.

Regards Tony

love didn't begin in 1844

firedragon · Sep 17, 2021

Conscious thoughts said:
Do they worship Jesus, or do they worship God through Jesus? if the latter it would be no worship of man, right?

The trinity is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are equal, or coequal and coeternal. They are three but one. So it is indeed the worship of Jesus.

TransmutingSoul · Sep 17, 2021

Fool said:
love didn't begin in 1844

A new creation did indeed.

Regards Tony

osgart · Sep 17, 2021

I cherish personal identity but I don't worship it.

The day I meet perfection is the day I'll begin worship.

firedragon · Sep 17, 2021

Nakosis said:
Then wouldn't the worship of self be the worship of God, if God is omnipresent?

Not necessarily Nakosis. Because even if you adhere to the doctrine of omnipresence, still worshiping yourself is not your physical self, it is your ego/desire, and that's not God the creator, that's you. They are two.

RestlessSoul · Sep 18, 2021

Guitar's Cry said:
I was speaking more metaphorically, relating two seemingly disparate mythological figures to our human experience.

And as Christianity evolved in the Greco-Roman world, that would explain how Christianity developed to emphasise Jesus as God personified, born of a virgin woman and divine father. Jesus came to be seen in the Hellenic world as God made man, rather than man made one with God, because Gods walking the earth in human form was consistent with the traditions of Greek mythology.

RestlessSoul · Sep 18, 2021

firedragon said:
The trinity is that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are equal, or coequal and coeternal. They are three but one. So it is indeed the worship of Jesus.

Not quite. A distinction should be made here between Jesus the man, and the Son of God as the realised Christ. It’s the latter which is an equal part of the Trinity.

The Hammer · Sep 18, 2021

Fool said:
love lifted self upon a very high mountain and showed the way of love, the Law of One

Revelation 21:10

with love comes peace.

love isn't exclusive to christianity, or any religion.

Than why tout it as such?

"jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit

so why do some worship a man? a beast?"

blü 2 · Sep 18, 2021

Fool said:
so why do some worship a man? a beast?

The 'man' part is outside my orbit, but for the other, haven't you ever owned a dog?

firedragon · Sep 18, 2021

RestlessSoul said:
Not quite. A distinction should be made here between Jesus the man, and the Son of God as the realised Christ. It’s the latter which is an equal part of the Trinity.

Still, Jesus is worshiped.

RestlessSoul · Sep 18, 2021

firedragon said:
Still, Jesus is worshiped.

Christ is worshipped. The distinction is important, even if many Christians do not recognise it themselves.

firedragon · Sep 18, 2021

RestlessSoul said:
Christ is worshipped. The distinction is important, even if many Christians do not recognise it themselves.

Alright, Christ is worshiped. Done.

Anyway, I have a question. This is the side point.

So you believe that praying or worshiping citing "Jesus" is wrong?
Christ is not Jesus anymore since the rise?

Aupmanyav · Sep 18, 2021

Why do people present their beliefs as if they are universal truths?

Fool said:
jesus said that god is spirit and should be worshiped in spirit
so why do some worship a man? a beast?
ecclesiastes 3:18-21

Quite simple. Not everyone is a Christian or believes in Jesus. People have other views too and worship idols, men or beasts, whatever. Is that difficult to understand?

Twilight Hue said:
Because it's where these spirits actually come from.

Not everyone will agree to this. Many do not believe in spirits or God.

RestlessSoul · Sep 18, 2021

firedragon said:
Alright, Christ is worshiped. Done.

Anyway, I have a question. This is the side point.

So you believe that praying or worshiping citing "Jesus" is wrong?

Christ is not Jesus anymore since the rise?

That's two questions. I'm not qualified to answer either of them with any authority; I could give you my personal understanding, but that's all it would be. Still, there is the living Christ, man having realised his own divine nature. And there is Jesus the man, a peripatetic teacher who lived and died in Roman occupied Judea.

I am agnostic on the divinity of Jesus. And happy enough to remain so, because I believe the message to be of far more importance than the nature of the messenger.

firedragon · Sep 18, 2021

RestlessSoul said:
That's two questions.

Yeah. You got it right.

RestlessSoul said:
I'm not qualified to answer either of them with any authority; I could give you my personal understanding, but that's all it would be. Still, there is the living Christ, man having realised his own divine nature. And there is Jesus the man, a peripatetic teacher who lived and died in Roman occupied Judea.

I am agnostic on the divinity of Jesus. And happy enough to remain so, because I believe the message to be of far more importance than the nature of the messenger.

You wanted to make a distinction that the trinity is not Jesus but the Christ. So the questions are directly based on that.

Anyway, thanks for the engagement.

PureX · Sep 18, 2021

The Hammer said:
To an extent. If they are used during worship, that is in effect worshipping them.

Not if you understand them to be representational tools.

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