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Reincarnation in Buddhism and Hinduism.

Martin

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That's basically my take; I don't subscribe to the realms thing.

Without the idea of different realms, "rebirth" doesn't make much sense.
That's still the case if you interpret realms as psychological states.
Some talk about the rebirth of self-view.
 
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Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Without the idea of different realms, "rebirth" doesn't make much sense.
That's still the case if you interpret realms as psychological states.
Some talk about the rebirth of self-view.
Yes I can see them as psychological; but then I take rebirth as moment by moment.
 

firedragon

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Found it reincarnation or rebirth is punnabbhava in Pali

Its punarbhava. I think I already gave you this. The actual meaning of this is "next or adjoining plain". Punar means "again". Bhava means "Plain" or lets say "world" or even "existence".
 

firedragon

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I think it's Abhidhamma or Visudhimagga.

No. Samyutta Nikaya is in Sutta Pitaka.

Visudhimagga is a part of Theravada Abidhamma which is a secondary interpretative source, not the Tipitaka. There is nothing called "Abidhamma OR Visudhimagga". Visudhimagga is a part of Theravadha Abidhamma.
 

Martin

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No. Samyutta Nikaya is in Sutta Pitaka.

Visudhimagga is a part of Theravada Abidhamma which is a secondary interpretative source, not the Tipitaka. There is nothing called "Abidhamma OR Visudhimagga". Visudhimagga is a part of Theravadha Abidhamma.

So back to my original question, where is patisandhi described?
 

Martin

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Its punarbhava. I think I already gave you this. The actual meaning of this is "next or adjoining plain". Punar means "again". Bhava means "Plain" or lets say "world" or even "existence".

What's your source for bhava = "plain"?
 

firedragon

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So back to my original question, where is patisandhi described?

Pati Sandhi? You mean scripture? Its not scriptural for such elaboration. It is a school of thought.

But if what you are looking for is Buddhist scripture, I dont know much of the Mahayana literature. I can give you direct reference to the Prathama Mahanama Suttan in the Samyuktha Nikhaaya. It will not use the word Patisandhi, but the concept is inferred from this.
 

firedragon

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What's your source for bhava = "plain"?

I think if you want a source, maybe you could read a pali dictionary of some sort. If you want a name, try Concise Pali English Dictionary by A.P. Buddhadatta Mahathera. And try your best to read and refer to the full post.

Its punarbhava. I think I already gave you this. The actual meaning of this is "next or adjoining plain". Punar means "again". Bhava means "Plain" or lets say "world" or even "existence".
 

Martin

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I think if you want a source, maybe you could read a pali dictionary of some sort. If you want a name, try Concise Pali English Dictionary by A.P. Buddhadatta Mahathera. And try your best to read and refer to the full post.

So you can't provide an actual source for bhava = "plain" then? I'm curious because I've never come across this.
And how would "plain" get translated as "existence"?
 
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firedragon

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So you can't provide an actual source for bhava = "plain" then? I'm curious because I've never come across this.
And how would "plain" get translated as "existence"?

If you consider dictionaries not actual source, then I will have to tell you to learn the language from some school.

Anyway, what I mean by plain is not for a sentence like "plain stupid". Its for some sentence like "another plain", another realm.

@firedragon So your source for patisandhi is what then? Please be precise

I gave that to you twice. So here you go again.

Prathama Mahanama Suttan in the Samyuktha Nikhaaya.
 

Martin

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If you consider dictionaries not actual source, then I will have to tell you to learn the language from some school.

Anyway, what I mean by plain is not for a sentence like "plain stupid". Its for some sentence like "another plain", another realm.



I gave that to you twice. So here you go again.

Prathama Mahanama Suttan in the Samyuktha Nikhaaya.

Samyutta Nikaya (SN) is huge. Please provide an actual reference eg SN 13.3.
Your vagueness gives the impression that you're making things up as you go along.
You still haven't provided a specific source for "bhava" = "plain". Or a specific source for patisandhi and its meaning.
Please be specific when making claims about words and their meanings based on textual sources. Otherwise it's just personal opinion and speculation.
 
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Lyndon

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If you consider dictionaries not actual source, then I will have to tell you to learn the language from some school.

Anyway, what I mean by plain is not for a sentence like "plain stupid". Its for some sentence like "another plain", another realm.



I gave that to you twice. So here you go again.

Prathama Mahanama Suttan in the Samyuktha Nikhaaya.
that's plane, not plain
 

Martin

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I presume you are referring to the Tipitaka. Dont worry Lyndon. If you give me a reference I can find it. But if you are referring to something else, then I dont have the resources.

Then why don't you start referencing the Pali Canon properly, instead of making vague unsupported assertions. The convention is MN.. for Majjhima Nikaya, SN.. for Samyutta Nikaya, and so on.
 

firedragon

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Samyutta Nikaya (SN) is huge. Please provide an actual reference eg SN 13.3.

I told you three times. Samyutta Nikaya, Prathama Mahanama Sutta.

that's plane, not plain

Apologies. Plane.

Then why don't you start referencing the Pali Canon properly, instead of making vague unsupported assertions. The convention is MN.. for Majjhima Nikaya, SN.. for Samyutta Nikaya, and so on.

I dont know these SN and MN mate. I have given the full name and reference so if you want to abbreviate Samyutta Nikaya as SN it is up to you.
 

Martin

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I told you three times. Samyutta Nikaya, Prathama Mahanama Sutta.



Apologies. Plane.



I dont know these SN and MN mate. I have given the full name and reference so if you want to abbreviate Samyutta Nikaya as SN it is up to you.

Still no proper refences for your claims. I think you're just making stuff up.
 
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