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Atheists. Satisfaction? Happiness?

It Aint Necessarily So

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So how do you, as an atheist, find ultimate fulfillment in life? How do you find comfort without God? Is it possible for you guys to be truly happy? Atheists refuse communion with God, so I don’t think it is possible for atheists to be truly happy. How do you find ultimate purpose in life without God?

You really don't know if an atheist can be happy or feel purpose? Do you know none?

If you have to ask questions like these, you aren't prepared to understand the answers, like a child asking his father why he would want to live with a wife rather than just spend all of his money on himself. What are you going to tell him that will have meaning to him?

People who tell atheists that they don't know how they can be happy, or moral, or have purpose without a god belief, are telling us that without their god belief, they would have none of those things. Have you ever thought about that? Somebody who tells you that without their god belief, they would have no moral sense is telling you that they have no moral sense, just a sense of performing for a treat and to avoid the rolled up newspaper. People who tell us that without the hope of getting to heaven, their life would have no purpose lead purposeless lives.

And if you're a Christian, how does being recruited to sing praises to a god for eternity make your life meaningful or have purpose? Could there be a less meaningful existence than that? That's certainly not my purpose.

I know somebody who was told that she was conceived to be a playmate for her brother. That was the purpose of her existence to others. How do you suppose that made her feel. It's not her purpose. It didn't give her life meaning. Moreover, she dislikes her mother for it, as if she were conceived to donate organs.

As I have said before, I don't envy people that need a god belief to get what I get without one. And I don't need to maintain any program or regiment to remain content. I don't need to go hear another sermon to get recharged for the week, and I don't need to engage in any ritual or practice to maintain equanimity and satisfaction as you suggested is the case for you if you don't continue whatever it is you mean by spiritual practices.

For me, those are activities of daily life - getting up and making the coffee, feeding the dogs, greeting my wife, playing with the dogs, assorted activities such as this one (very contemplative) and playing bridge, playing with the dogs, playing music with the wife, taking walks with her, going out to meals together, and in the evening, it's the porch with the dogs and some white wine for conversation and to watch the sun go down over the lake as the birds in the fountain are replaced by the bats and geckos, followed by Jeopardy, and eventually bed. Daily life is a spiritual path, but I don't use that language except in a context like this one.
 

QuestioningMind

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How do atheists find satisfaction and happiness in life?

A recurring theme I find while studying religion is the teaching that the only way to attain meaningful fulfillment and happiness in life is through spiritual practice. Communion with God. I think the opening Psalm is a good example

1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers,

2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night.

3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither—whatever they do prospers.

4 Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away.

5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.

6 For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

Not to call atheists wicked, but from a theological perspective, to refuse communion with God is wicked.


In my own life, when I walk off the altar of living sacrifice, and stray into spiritual apathy and darkness, I am never satisfied. I am in a state of disarray and fill my time with meaningless pleasures. The only time I feel truly happy is when I am fully into my spiritual practice and seeking communion with God continually.

It is this communion with God that is the source of all happiness. For my own life, this holds true. Without God there is no satisfaction or fulfillment in anything I do. I feel like the tree planted by the stream when I am close to God, and feel like chaff when I stray.

Why is this? I’m not sure how to explain it, this bliss that God offers me, which I often cast aside to allow myself to become miserable in worldly pleasures. But it is there. I’m sure fellow believers in the Almighty can attest to His comforting presence that only He can provide. Without God, there is no happiness.


So how do you, as an atheist, find ultimate fulfillment in life? How do you find comfort without God? Is it possible for you guys to be truly happy? Atheists refuse communion with God, so I don’t think it is possible for atheists to be truly happy. How do you find ultimate purpose in life without God?

I've found that highly religious people can often be the most miserable individuals I've ever met. They tend to live in perpetual fear that they might offend their god in some way or worry that their loved ones won't 'be saved'. They're afraid to look at new ideas for fear that the new ideas might come from 'the devil'. They see themselves as sinful wicked human beings who need to be 'saved' from themselves. They seem far from happy or satisfied with their lives.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
How do atheists find satisfaction and happiness in life?

A recurring theme I find while studying religion is the teaching that the only way to attain meaningful fulfillment and happiness in life is through spiritual practice. Communion with God. I think the opening Psalm is a good example

1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers,

2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his law day and night.

3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither—whatever they do prospers.

4 Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away.

5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.

6 For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked leads to destruction.

Not to call atheists wicked, but from a theological perspective, to refuse communion with God is wicked.


In my own life, when I walk off the altar of living sacrifice, and stray into spiritual apathy and darkness, I am never satisfied. I am in a state of disarray and fill my time with meaningless pleasures. The only time I feel truly happy is when I am fully into my spiritual practice and seeking communion with God continually.

It is this communion with God that is the source of all happiness. For my own life, this holds true. Without God there is no satisfaction or fulfillment in anything I do. I feel like the tree planted by the stream when I am close to God, and feel like chaff when I stray.

Why is this? I’m not sure how to explain it, this bliss that God offers me, which I often cast aside to allow myself to become miserable in worldly pleasures. But it is there. I’m sure fellow believers in the Almighty can attest to His comforting presence that only He can provide. Without God, there is no happiness.


So how do you, as an atheist, find ultimate fulfillment in life? How do you find comfort without God? Is it possible for you guys to be truly happy? Atheists refuse communion with God, so I don’t think it is possible for atheists to be truly happy. How do you find ultimate purpose in life without God?

This is a tug o war of bias and opinions. Even the happiness index has too many loopholes to take seriously. An atheist would say he finds happiness in being with his family, partying, doing charity, petting the dog, etc etc and even a theist might say the same things. Dont think that just because an atheist is an atheist s/he is not spiritual. Sometimes s/he might not tell you about spirituality, but many atheists are highly spiritual. By definition it may just take a different path.

So far I dont know of a happiness measurement tool. But I dont mind being informed better. Please.
 

TagliatelliMonster

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How do atheists find satisfaction and happiness in life?

I'ld guess, in the exact same way that non-atheists do...

By building meaningful social relationships, pursue our interests and passions, get support from others and give support back to them,...

A recurring theme I find while studying religion is the teaching that the only way to attain meaningful fulfillment and happiness in life is through spiritual practice.

Obviously. Like every salesman, they need to "sell" their religion and get you to buy it. What better way then to promise eternal love and happiness while implying the alternative is misery and suffering.

It's an emotional appeal. An abuse of human psychological weaknesses.

In my own life, when I walk off the altar of living sacrifice, and stray into spiritual apathy and darkness, I am never satisfied. I am in a state of disarray and fill my time with meaningless pleasures. The only time I feel truly happy is when I am fully into my spiritual practice and seeking communion with God continually.

The time I feel the happiest is when I'm home, or out and about, with my wife and kids having fun in whatever way, while I manage to leave my worries (work, money, whatevs) at the door.

Carelessly spending quality time with loved ones, is one of the most fulfilling things there is imo.

Lots of other things make me happy as well though. Ranging from playing the drums all the way to doing charity work.


It is this communion with God that is the source of all happiness. For my own life, this holds true

I find that odd. And a little sad, to be honest.

Without God there is no satisfaction or fulfillment in anything I do. I feel like the tree planted by the stream when I am close to God, and feel like chaff when I stray.

Why is this? I’m not sure how to explain it, this bliss that God offers me, which I often cast aside to allow myself to become miserable in worldly pleasures. But it is there. I’m sure fellow believers in the Almighty can attest to His comforting presence that only He can provide. Without God, there is no happiness.


Suppose you are at home together with your loved ones, playing games or just talking or whatever it is you guys do at gatherings. Let's take god out of the picture for a second.

You are not happy? Why not?
I don't get it.

So how do you, as an atheist, find ultimate fulfillment in life? How do you find comfort without God? Is it possible for you guys to be truly happy? Atheists refuse communion with God, so I don’t think it is possible for atheists to be truly happy.

For some reason you have solidified this idea in your head that without god you can't be happy.
But countless people who don't believe in your god are happy.
Countless people who don't believe in any god are happy.

Surely you must be aware of this?
Or are you saying that even though they think they are happy, you claim that they aren't "truly" happy?
That would be quite arrogant of you, if that were the case.

Suppose I as an atheist say that you as a theist can't be "truly" happy because this god image is preventing you to be happy?

In fact, I could quite easily make a good case for that statement, from this post of yours alone.

For example, you have just said that you can't be happy "unless god". So this faith based belief of yours results in you being unable to be happy and content when at a pleasant gathering with loved ones while playing games or just talking. Such a setting makes me very happy. But not you. Because you carry this god like a brick around your neck which is weighing you down. You also have this constant "threat" hanging over your head for afterlife judgements, so you constantly have to worry about being an obedient goody goody christian. Worries are stress factors. They stand in the way of happiness.

See?

It's not even difficult. And even though I don't actually stand behind that argument, it seems to me that I just made a much better case for it then you did, anyway.

How do you find ultimate purpose in life without God?

I don't know what you mean with "ultimate purpose".
If by that you mean some "significance" to my life on some type of "cosmic scale", then my answer is that I do not require such.

I fully expect to be totally forgotten by all humans within 5 generations after me.
That doesn't make my life worthless.
 

blü 2

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Premium Member
So how do you, as an atheist, find ultimate fulfillment in life?
By trying to get on with things, to give and receive love, to do the decent thing, to hold myself to account ─ in each case, not always succeeding.
How do you find comfort without God?
What have supernatural beings got to do with comfort?
Is it possible for you guys to be truly happy?
I have no complaints.
Atheists refuse communion with God, so I don’t think it is possible for atheists to be truly happy.
Weird!
How do you find ultimate purpose in life without God?
What "ultimate purpose" have you found, exactly?
 

F1fan

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I've found that highly religious people can often be the most miserable individuals I've ever met. They tend to live in perpetual fear that they might offend their god in some way or worry that their loved ones won't 'be saved'. They're afraid to look at new ideas for fear that the new ideas might come from 'the devil'. They see themselves as sinful wicked human beings who need to be 'saved' from themselves. They seem far from happy or satisfied with their lives.
I've noticed this too. I always find it odd how polls indicate religious people are happier. I suspect they just lie about being happy because they are so absorbed in their belief and part of that illusion is joy and happiness. They seem to be living out a script of the "happy believer" rather than feeling true joy and contentment.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
This is a tug o war of bias and opinions. Even the happiness index has too many loopholes to take seriously. An atheist would say he finds happiness in being with his family, partying, doing charity, petting the dog, etc etc and even a theist might say the same things. Dont think that just because an atheist is an atheist s/he is not spiritual. Sometimes s/he might not tell you about spirituality, but many atheists are highly spiritual. By definition it may just take a different path.
As long as you acknowledge that a spiritual path doesn't have to include belief in supernatural concepts, and does include things like meditation and yoga.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
I give to charity, I volunteer, I spend time with the people I love, I listen to and play music, I learn new skills and ideas, I explore wherever my curiosity leads. These kinds of things add to the quality of my life.

Listening to a speaker at a Vedanta society the other day he said something like, if you come to me and ask me how to find meaning and satisfaction and lasting happiness in life I don't say start meditating or looking for God I say do something for others.

Btw, if God wants to talk to me he knows where I am.
 
Even with that, I still don't see how worship of God would give satisfaction or happiness in anything other than the "everyone needs a hobby" sense.

It gives some people a sense of purpose and a feeling of belonging to something bigger than the self. There is a lot of evidence that these play an important role in happiness (or perhaps contentment).

Obviously people can get these things without worshipping a deity, but in either case they are different from having a generic hobby.
 

firedragon

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I've found that highly religious people can often be the most miserable individuals I've ever met. They tend to live in perpetual fear that they might offend their god in some way or worry that their loved ones won't 'be saved'. They're afraid to look at new ideas for fear that the new ideas might come from 'the devil'. They see themselves as sinful wicked human beings who need to be 'saved' from themselves. They seem far from happy or satisfied with their lives.

Being a theist, I have never in my life met the kind you are speaking about. Surprising for you this is often.
 

QuestioningMind

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Being a theist, I have never in my life met the kind you are speaking about. Surprising for you this is often.

Seems to me you must not be paying very close attention then. There are plenty of threads on this forum where theists are asking whether or not their behavior has put their soul in jeopardy or warning wicked atheists about the horrible future that awaits them. Folks often talk about being 'god fearing'. Sorry, but living in fear doesn't equate to happiness in my opinion.
 

firedragon

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There are plenty of threads on this forum where theists are asking whether or not their behavior has put their soul in jeopardy or warning wicked atheists about the horrible future that awaits them. Folks often talk about being 'god fearing'. Sorry, but living in fear doesn't equate to happiness in my opinion.

Lol.. This is your prejudiced idea that you have. Maybe you live in fear of some thing so you expect others to be the same. No clue about that.

But theists dont necessarily live in some kind of fear. They live a good life mate. And your statement "They see themselves as sinful wicked human beings who need to be 'saved' from themselves. They seem far from happy or satisfied with their lives." Among others seem to have mellowed down now.

Just because someone says "I fear GOd", does not mean "I live in fear". Thats a nonsensical idea. As an atheist who generally claim sophisticated intellect and scientific superiority etc, you should do a bit more research or at least some proper unprejudiced thinking.

Some people would say "I fear poverty". Some would say "I fear my children would not get proper education". Does that mean "they live in fear and are leading miserable lives"? What if someone says "I fear my conscience"? Atheists fear their conscience mate. That does not mean "they live in fear and are leading miserable lives".

People live a satisfied, fruitful and happy lives as a theist or an atheist. Dont make claims like this without doing a study on it. If you have only met theists like you describe, maybe they in your vicinity only. So maybe its a problem of your neighbourhood and its manifesting in this misery for theists. But this is false. If you generalise to the rest of the theists, that's bigotry.

Have a good day.
 

Segev Moran

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So how do you, as an atheist, find ultimate fulfillment in life?
The Exact way as you (assuming your a theist).
We find joy in things we asses as meaningful.
For me, its first and foremost, my kids.
When I see them happy, is the most fulfilling thing in my life.
My family, the same thing.
I work in something that I find meaningful as it is in paralleled with my beliefs.
A meaningful job is something i find very fulfilling.
I assume you get the idea :)
How do you find comfort without God?
Family,
Friends,
Dogs :)
Cats :)
Luckily , seldom food ;)
But there are endless things i find comfort in, as do you I assume.
Is it possible for you guys to be truly happy?
Your happy, is not my happy :)
I assume most people will agree on the basics... being healthy, having comfortable economic status, etc.
These might be handy for achieving happiness to some people, yet some of the happier people I met not really answer any of the above, or believing in God ;)
Atheists refuse communion with God,
How do you commute with god?
Why do you think that the way you commute with god is the only one?
I assume that god didn't really "made" people atheists just to test your belief.
that will be quite weird to assume.
Unless it put them in here so they can teach you how to really find gods way ;)
Spoiler: Its not by ignoring science ;) (In general, not aimed at you :))
so I don’t think it is possible for atheists to be truly happy.
Fulfillment = Happiness for me, so... see above :)
How do you find ultimate purpose in life without God?
what is your ultimate purpose?
My ultimate purpose is to make sure my kids are healthy, happy, living fulfilling life (based on what they define fulfilling [hopefully mainly good for others as for themselves ;)])
And off course, to be a part of their lives as much as I can.
I would place these two (in that order) as my main two ultimate purposes in life :)
 

QuestioningMind

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Probably you think that way because you have a predisposition about theists anyway. Thats bigotry.

What the heck are you talking about? I never claimed that this was true for all theists... or even for most theists. All I said was that some of the most miserable people I'm come in contact with are often very religious. Did you just assume that because I'm am atheist that I was claiming this applied to ALL theists? Best look in the mirror before you start throwing around claims of bigotry.
 

QuestioningMind

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Lol.. This is your prejudiced idea that you have. Maybe you live in fear of some thing so you expect others to be the same. No clue about that.

But theists dont necessarily live in some kind of fear. They live a good life mate. And your statement "They see themselves as sinful wicked human beings who need to be 'saved' from themselves. They seem far from happy or satisfied with their lives." Among others seem to have mellowed down now.

Just because someone says "I fear GOd", does not mean "I live in fear". Thats a nonsensical idea. As an atheist who generally claim sophisticated intellect and scientific superiority etc, you should do a bit more research or at least some proper unprejudiced thinking.

Some people would say "I fear poverty". Some would say "I fear my children would not get proper education". Does that mean "they live in fear and are leading miserable lives"? What if someone says "I fear my conscience"? Atheists fear their conscience mate. That does not mean "they live in fear and are leading miserable lives".

People live a satisfied, fruitful and happy lives as a theist or an atheist. Dont make claims like this without doing a study on it. If you have only met theists like you describe, maybe they in your vicinity only. So maybe its a problem of your neighbourhood and its manifesting in this misery for theists. But this is false. If you generalise to the rest of the theists, that's bigotry.

Have a good day.

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? You act as if I claimed that ALL theists are miserable and live in fear. I never said that there aren't any theists who live good happy lives free of fear. I simply pointed out that there are SOME theists who are constantly worried about the state of their 'soul' or the souls of others they care about. Like I said, if you're claiming that there are absolutely no theists who live in such a state of fear then you obviously aren't paying attention. Any theist who uses the Pasqual's Wager argument for believing in god is OBVIOUSLY living in fear about making the wrong choice about god.

Again, I'm not the one who made any generalizations about all theists. YOU are the one who assumed I was generalizing just because I'm an atheist. THAT'S bigotry.
 

Alienistic

Anti-conformity
Why is this? I’m not sure how to explain it, this bliss that God offers me, which I often cast aside to allow myself to become miserable in worldly pleasures. But it is there. I’m sure fellow believers in the Almighty can attest to His comforting presence that only He can provide. Without God, there is no happiness.

If I were an evil god, I’d probably create ignorant and needy adult children. Coddle them, make them dependent on daddy rather than their own self aware, self accountable, self responsible, independent/free autonomous being. They would never know how to cut the umbilical cord from me. Be their daddy issues and swoop in and be their hero and comforter at the same time. I would make them feel false good, comfort them with my false light. Reward them for being my good soldiers with a little less suffering but at one cost- being under my psychological control. They would be needy and so would I for their praise and worship of me and my egotistical perfection and awesomeness.

In my perception, I’d choose atheism over this god. Better to believe in no gods than ones like these.
 
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