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Questions And/Or Misunderstandings.

esmith

Veteran Member
Maybe there are those on this forum that can explain the question and/or misunderstanding I have concerning what I consider a "Chinese Fire Drill" our withdrawl from Afghanistan.
Secretary of State Blinken before the House Foreign Affairs Committee said:
“We inherited a deadline. We did not inherit a plan,”

Now here are my questions and/or misuderstandings.
1. To "we inherited a deadline".
Fact: President Trump negotiated a withdrawl agreement, with conditions, with theTailiban that we leave Afghanstain by May 1st , 2021
Fact: President Biden extended this deadline to Sept 11th (actually withdrew Aug 31st)
My questions and/or misunderstanding:
a. If the Biden administration inherited a deadline why did the extend it to Sept 11th and then blame the previous administration for a deadline they didn't keep?
b. If they did not keep the origianl deadline, could they not say we will leave when we get everyone out?
c. Is a agreement with a Preident dealing with a foreign policy without Congressional approval binding to the following President?

2. To "we did not inherit a plan"
So the previous administration did not promulgate a plan for withdrawal.
a. If Predident Trump had been reelected could they not draw up a plan within 3 months to insure that the withdrawl was conducted in a orderly manner?
b. Even if the previous administration had promulated a plan would the Biden administration gone by that plan? Probably not since they have done away with the majority of policies set forth by the Trump administation
c. Now the Biden administration had over 7 months tp come up with a plan and what they came up with was basically a Chinese fire drill.

So does anyone want to logically answer my questions and or misunderstandings?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Maybe there are those on this forum that can explain the question and/or misunderstanding I have concerning what I consider a "Chinese Fire Drill" our withdrawl from Afghanistan.
Secretary of State Blinken before the House Foreign Affairs Committee said:
“We inherited a deadline. We did not inherit a plan,”

Now here are my questions and/or misuderstandings.
1. To "we inherited a deadline".
Fact: President Trump negotiated a withdrawl agreement, with conditions, with theTailiban that we leave Afghanstain by May 1st , 2021
Fact: President Biden extended this deadline to Sept 11th (actually withdrew Aug 31st)
My questions and/or misunderstanding:
a. If the Biden administration inherited a deadline why did the extend it to Sept 11th and then blame the previous administration for a deadline they didn't keep?
b. If they did not keep the origianl deadline, could they not say we will leave when we get everyone out?
c. Is a agreement with a Preident dealing with a foreign policy without Congressional approval binding to the following President?

2. To "we did not inherit a plan"
So the previous administration did not promulgate a plan for withdrawal.
a. If Predident Trump had been reelected could they not draw up a plan within 3 months to insure that the withdrawl was conducted in a orderly manner?
b. Even if the previous administration had promulated a plan would the Biden administration gone by that plan? Probably not since they have done away with the majority of policies set forth by the Trump administation
c. Now the Biden administration had over 7 months tp come up with a plan and what they came up with was basically a Chinese fire drill.

So does anyone want to logically answer my questions and or misunderstandings?
the best laid plans of mice and men. the plan was contingent on the afghan army. the ruse was there was an afghan army. americans in afghan knew the deadline and yet chose to remain. you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

why not stop moving the goal post? it wasn't anyone's fault except those who wanted help on their own time. the afghan army that dissolved in days, and the foolish americans who chose to wait until the last minute.


its like the unvaccinated screaming its a conspiracy theory.


they need to build a bridge and get over themselves. if the self chooses to believe it's everyone's responsibility but your own, thats the stuff of hypocrisy


the love of most has grown cold like the christian hypocrites who prefer their religion above god
 
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Predident Trump had been reelected could they not draw up a plan within 3 months to insure that the withdrawl was conducted in a orderly manner?

How do you think the withdrawal could have conducted in an orderly manner though given whenever it was clear America would withdraw, the Afghan Army would have capitulated and America had nowhere near enough troops to hold the country on their own?

They could have had a massive troop surge, but that is logistically difficult and the Taliban wouldn't just stand by letting them do as they please. Also, they would still need to fight continuously for months to hold parts of the country with significant resulting casualties and then they would have had to fight their way out.

If you were President, what would you have done in order to create the conditions for an orderly withdrawal?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Every assumption Biden and staff and everyone else I know of made was that the Afghan government we propped up for 20 years would have the strength to last a few months after we pulled out.

They folded like a house of cards setting off a panic on the part of Afghanis who wanted out and chaos as plans collapsed.

Outside of 20-20 hindsight, I don't see what Biden or anyone could have done once the collapse started outside of releasing a bombing reign of terror kill untold number of civilians to try to slow down the advance.

What would YOU have done differently?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The main problem with what the Biden administration did was to not start the vetting process earlier that caused much confusion at the airport in Kabul. Other than that, not only is it difficult to assert any other failure, there's simply no logical way that the Trump would have supposedly done it any better. Trump's own DHS head said they hadn't even started the vetting process by election day, plus the congressional Pubs made the vetting process much more difficult by adding considerable more paperwork that had to be completed prior to approval.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Well, I can see no one is willing or able to explain why the Biden administration is blaming the previous administration. See Sec of State comments in post #1
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Maybe there are those on this forum that can explain the question and/or misunderstanding I have concerning what I consider a "Chinese Fire Drill" our withdrawl from Afghanistan.
Secretary of State Blinken before the House Foreign Affairs Committee said:
“We inherited a deadline. We did not inherit a plan,”

Now here are my questions and/or misuderstandings.
1. To "we inherited a deadline".
Fact: President Trump negotiated a withdrawl agreement, with conditions, with theTailiban that we leave Afghanstain by May 1st , 2021
Fact: President Biden extended this deadline to Sept 11th (actually withdrew Aug 31st)
My questions and/or misunderstanding:
a. If the Biden administration inherited a deadline why did the extend it to Sept 11th and then blame the previous administration for a deadline they didn't keep?
b. If they did not keep the origianl deadline, could they not say we will leave when we get everyone out?
c. Is a agreement with a Preident dealing with a foreign policy without Congressional approval binding to the following President?

2. To "we did not inherit a plan"
So the previous administration did not promulgate a plan for withdrawal.
a. If Predident Trump had been reelected could they not draw up a plan within 3 months to insure that the withdrawl was conducted in a orderly manner?
b. Even if the previous administration had promulated a plan would the Biden administration gone by that plan? Probably not since they have done away with the majority of policies set forth by the Trump administation
c. Now the Biden administration had over 7 months tp come up with a plan and what they came up with was basically a Chinese fire drill.

So does anyone want to logically answer my questions and or misunderstandings?
The only logical explanation, is that they are simply blaming the previous administration for their own failures.
 
Well, I can see no one is willing or able to explain why the Biden administration is blaming the previous administration. See Sec of State comments in post #1

You also seem unwilling or unable to explain how he could have conducted an orderly withdrawal based on the conditions he inherited.

Funny that.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
You also seem unwilling or unable to explain how he could have conducted an orderly withdrawal based on the conditions he inherited.

Funny that.
You know what is really funny is that the Biden sheeple are willing to close their eyes, hearing, and minds to any possible faults with their dear leader.
 
You know what is really funny is that the Biden sheeple are willing to close their eyes, hearing, and minds to any possible faults with their dear leader.

Nice swerve :cool:

None of that applies to me given he's not my leader, I have no particular emotional attachment to the US Democrats and I've said as President the buck stops with him regardless.

I do believe he inherited a very **** hand though which is partially the fault of the previous regime, wouldn't you agree? Or are you saying they are blameless and would have easily been able to conduct an orderly withdrawal?

Now we've got that out of the way, what is your grand plan to hold Afghanistan with a handful of troops while conducting an orderly evacuation of tens of thousands of people and keeping the Taliban at bay without any casualties?
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Outside of 20-20 hindsight, I don't see what Biden or anyone could have done once the collapse started outside of releasing a bombing reign of terror kill untold number of civilians to try to slow down the advance.

That's exactly what the Taliban promised it would it the deadline set by Trump was not met.

The main problem with what the Biden administration did was to not start the vetting process earlier that caused much confusion at the airport in Kabul. Other than that, not only is it difficult to assert any other failure, there's simply no logical way that the Trump would have supposedly done it any better. Trump's own DHS head said they hadn't even started the vetting process by election day, plus the congressional Pubs made the vetting process much more difficult by adding considerable more paperwork that had to be completed prior to approval.

Trump admin broke law with visa delays for Afghans, Iraqis who worked for U.S., judge rules (nbcnews.com)

Olivia Troye tweeted that Stephen Miller, a senior adviser to former President Donald Trump, teamed up with “enablers” to undermine anyone trying to get the allies out by “devastating” the special immigrant visa system at the departments of State and Homeland Security.

“Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan,” tweeted Troye. She described Pence as “fully aware” of the problem.
Mike Pence aide blames Stephen Miller for wrecking Afghan visa system (usatoday.com)

Some of the Republican House members who this week excoriated President Joe Biden's strategy to pull U.S. troops out of Afghanistan and evacuate Afghan civilians voted last month against legislation to speed up the visa application process for Afghan citizens.
16 Republicans voted against special visas to help Afghanistan people (usatoday.com)
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Nice swerve :cool:

None of that applies to me given he's not my leader, I have no particular emotional attachment to the US Democrats and I've said as President the buck stops with him regardless.

I do believe he inherited a very **** hand though which is partially the fault of the previous regime, wouldn't you agree? Or are you saying they are blameless and would have easily been able to conduct an orderly withdrawal?

Now we've got that out of the way, what is your grand plan to hold Afghanistan with a handful of troops while conducting an orderly evacuation of tens of thousands of people and keeping the Taliban at bay without any casualties?
Please explain your comment "partially the fault of the previous regime"
To answer your question"what is your grand plan to hold Afghanistan"
Keep the military in place until you get everyone out. Under President Trump's agreement with the Tailban they would not engage in hostilities against the departing U.S. troops. Of course some say this was unenforcable. But at least if they did, then there would have been immediate retrubution, unlike Biden's plan of withdrawing the military and hoping the Tailban would not attack and if they did there were no forces available to counter the attack.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I think the following reasons are problematic:

1. Negotiated deal with Taliban
2. Released ISIS and prisoners prior to leaving country
3. Afghan gov't not included in agreement

Most people wanted out of Afghanistan. The previous guy wanted to get out of Afghanistan so he could win an election.
There was no reason the deal couldn't have been done with the Afghan govt at a later time.

At the end of the day, the agreement was rushed and poorly thought out. (incompetence)
 
Please explain your comment "partially the fault of the previous regime"

The best chance to have an orderly withdrawal would probably have been something much slower over a much longer period getting as many people out before announcing a final withdrawal setting the clock ticking.

He also reduced troop numbers to 2500 which made them totally reliant on the Afghan Army which then collapsed.

To answer your question"what is your grand plan to hold Afghanistan"
Keep the military in place until you get everyone out. Under President Trump's agreement with the Tailban they would not engage in hostilities against the departing U.S. troops. Of course some say this was unenforcable. But at least if they did, then there would have been immediate retrubution, unlike Biden's plan of withdrawing the military and hoping the Tailban would not attack and if they did there were no forces available to counter the attack.

That's just magical thinking.

There weren't enough troops to hold anything much without Afghan support and that would have collapsed regardless.

So your remaining troops would have been engaged in urban warfare trying to hold a small portion of Kabul against the Taliban armed with your own weapons. There would have been significant troop casualties and air power is not great unless you are willing to also kill many civilians, and evacuating civilians from across Afghanistan via a combat zone is not going to be orderly.

There was probably a way to handle it less badly as they seemed unprepared for such a rapid collapse, but your 'orderly withdrawal' is a fantasy.

No doubt if US troops were being killed with your own weapons you would have been equally, if not more, critical of Biden.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
There is an old saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink" says it all about the majority of Biden supporters.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
There is an old saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink" says it all about the majority of Biden supporters.
Don't you learn everything about Biden supporters from far-right media? Not smart.
You people are angry and hateful of everything. We blame your media.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
There is an old saying "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink" says it all about the majority of Biden supporters.

And the unwillingness of Trump supporters to consider his role in what happened.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, I can see no one is willing or able to explain why the Biden administration is blaming the previous administration. See Sec of State comments in post #1
Explanation....
Always blame predecessors in the other party.
 
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