Missouri teacher who displayed Pride Flag resigns after parent complains

F1fan said:

Promoting Marxism? You mean there are advertisements all over schools about how awesome Marxism is?

Or do you mean teaching the youth about history, which includes Marxism? And part of this history is some conservative attitudes being very fearful and reactionary of Marxism?

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No, I mean exactly what I said - promoting Marxism. And I already know that there's tons of professors who are openly Marxist and promote that ideology. I can't think of any Fascist ones, though.

Any sane person would be "fearful" (alarmed, really) at Marxism being promoted in their societies and gaining large numbers of followers. It's responsible for the deaths of tens of millions across the globe and the brutalization of millions more. You don't have to be conservative to be anti-communist.

Rival said:

Yes, but that wasn't my point here. My point is that the LGBT flag/movement clearly does not speak for or have the support of all LGBT people and we should stop treating it as though it does.

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Of course. I think that applies to all movements, not just LGBT ones.

Rival said:

I'm talking about such things as their ban on religious jewellery, clothing and so on. They can also teach about issues, that's fine.

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I'm absolutely positive that if more American schools taught children about LGBT issues in a supportive or normalizing way, there would be an uproar from a subset of conservative communities. The fact that a parent thought their child could be taught to be "gay" per the article in the OP is enough for me to strongly raise an eyebrow.

I don't view an LGBT flag as equivalent at all to religious jewelry or clothing. Besides, I'm also against banning the latter for students; I think only teachers should be held to that restriction due to the influence they have in a classroom.

Actually time for bed now lol.

Saint Frankenstein said:

No, I mean exactly what I said - promoting Marxism. And I already know that there's tons of professors who are openly Marxist and promote that ideology. I can't think of any Fascist ones, though.

Any sane person would be "fearful" (alarmed, really) at Marxism being promoted in their societies and gaining large numbers of followers. It's responsible for the deaths of tens of millions across the globe and the brutalization of millions more. You don't have to be conservative to be anti-communist.

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One could argue that capitalism has led to the same, but with how numerous schools of thought are within capitalism, Marxism, etc., I don't really draw conclusions about each ideology only based on a subset of variations thereof.

In my opinion, both capitalism and Marxism have significantly useful viewpoints. I consider myself a socialist, and my own outlook borrows elements from both capitalism and communism.

Stevicus said:

Missouri Teacher Who Displayed Pride Flag Resigns After Parent Complains (insider.com)







Wow, it's almost like the whole country is going backwards.

The teacher filed a civil rights complaint with the U.S. Department of Education.

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I wonder if changing the flag will change what people think about it.

Missouri teacher who displayed Straight Pride Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed Religious Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed BLM Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed Rebel Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed Don't Tread on Me Flag resigns after parent complains

We Never Know said:

I wonder if changing the flag will change what people think about it.

Missouri teacher who displayed Straight Pride Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed Religious Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed BLM Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed Rebel Flag resigns after parent complains

Missouri teacher who displayed Don't Tread on Me Flag resigns after parent complains

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Of course it would, since every single one of the flags you mentioned stands for something different from the others, and most of those are political whereas, in my opinion, the LGBT flag isn't--or if it is political at all, at least not anywhere near the extent of, say, a rebel or BLM flag.

Debater Slayer said:

Of course it would, since every single one of the flags you mentioned stands for something different from the others, and most of those are political whereas, in my opinion, the LGBT flag isn't--or if it is political at all, at least not anywhere near the extent of, say, a rebel or BLM flag.

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They each represent a certain group of people same as a gay pride flag does.
None should be given special recognition over the others in my opinion.

Rival said:

1. The LGBT people in this thread (me, SW and SF) are the ones arguing in favour of conservative views either being given a platform or at least that there should be equal treatment or neither.

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It's not based in conservativism for me. Such as, I am vehemently against censorship and do not support it whether it's wanted by liberals or conservatives, for whatever the reason. I do believe we have a right to blaspheme, I don't believe anyone has the right to silence another. Of course this is within an American framework, but here neither Liberals or Conservatives are that big into free speech and a free, open exchange and debate of ideas. Conservatives here also usually aren't too big into the "all or none" part of the Separation Clause and will demonstrate very quick they don't actually support freedom of religion and expression when they have to share it. Like city councils who did away with beginning meetings with prayer rather than letting a Satanist give an opening convocation.
I also believe such things (LGBT) should be discussed in schools as a means of preparing students for the world where people will have to get along with others who are different. Like those stories and lessons I was taught as a child that mentioned things like racial differences, boys and girls, and how different people have different likes and interests.
And I don't really give a damn about the flag. If anything, people have to be ready for the world and that does include having to see things and people you don't like or agree with without making a scene. It means working with people who do things you may not morally approve of. But we all have to get along and tolerate each other at least well enough to make this society thing work. And this being in Missouri I promise and guarantee lots of public school teachers there have Christian paraphernalia on display.

We Never Know said:

They each represent a certain group of people same as a gay pride flag does.
None should be given special recognition over the others in my opinion.

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We should definitely draw the line when it comes to the flags of traitors being displayed in government venues.

Rival said:

Many religious organisations believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and the Act explicitly recognises this. The civil understanding of marriage has always been broader than that of many religious organisations. Marriage has evolved over the years, for example to enable Catholics, atheists, Baptists and many others to marry outside the Anglican Church, and to recognise married women as equal to married men before the law.

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So what? I am sorry, but it really does not matter what one merely believes. That does not trump rights. A child still has rights. Not as many as an adult, but they are not property as you seem to think. The child can decide for him or herself when the time comes.

A person that believes that does not need to marry a person of the same sex. Why is this so hard to understand? Like it or not they do have to accept the fact that others have the same rights to marry the person of their choice as they do. I am as straight as an arrow and even I got it before it passed by initiative in my state. I don't have to marry a man. I won't marry a man, but that does not mean that I should oppose other men that want to do so. They are not harming anyone except for the sensibilities of some people that cannot realize that other people have to have the same rights as they do. No one is taking away one's rights. The rights of others are merely being recognized.

Shadow Wolf said:

We should definitely draw the line when it comes to the flags of traitors being displayed in government venues.

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Most of the monuments etc. were a reaction to black people getting their rights. The monuments were mostly erected during the Jim Crow era. And then there was a resurgence at the time of the passage of the civil rights acts. That was when various states incorporated the Confederate Battle Flag in their state seals and flags:

How The US Got So Many Confederate Monuments

It appears to have been done to remind black people of their "place".

Shadow Wolf said:

No more than a hetero teacher having a picture of his/her spouse.

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Poor analogy. A gay person can have a picture on their desk. But neither a homosexual nor a heterosexual can have a flag that represents a sexual orientation or other lifestyles a teacher endorses. A heterosexual can’t have a BDSM flag or display a religious flag, for example. This isn’t a gay issue at all. It is an issue of promoting a safe environment for student education.

Subduction Zone said:

That is not "promoting a personal agenda". It is actually the law, at least in the US. LGBT people have the same rights as everyone else. You appear to be conflating that most people that are LGBT are liberal with equality being a "liberal cause". Actually since that is the law of the land and change is often taken as being liberal making a change to that status could be argued as a "liberal cause". Equality and rational thought should not be limited to the left.

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It most certainly is about promoting a particular opinion and lifestyle. The teacher was wrong. Teachers can’t use their classrooms as personal forum for their own agendas. This teacher certainly has an agenda. An agenda unfit for the classroom.

Shaul said:

Poor analogy. A gay person can have a picture on their desk. But neither a homosexual nor a heterosexual can have a flag that represents a sexual orientation or other lifestyles a teacher endorses. A heterosexual can’t have a BDSM flag or display a religious flag, for example. This isn’t a gay issue at all. It is an issue of promoting a safe environment for student education.

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The Ostrich Defense that you are trying to use promotes violence. Education is the way to avoid it. And you are wrong. Posting a picture of one's spouse (and worse yet children since they have to have had sex to have their own children) is far more sexual than a Pride Flag. I have my doubts if someone is naturally into BDSM. That appears to be an acquired trait. There is no choice in being gay or not. Your analogy fails.

Shaul said:

It most certainly is about promoting a particular opinion and lifestyle. The teacher was wrong. Teachers can’t use their classrooms as personal forum for their own agendas. This teacher certainly has an agenda. An agenda unfit for the classroom.

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Nope, but lets see what the courts say. You cannot seem to properly support your claims. Would you like to try again?

Shaul said:

Poor analogy. A gay person can have a picture on their desk. But neither a homosexual nor a heterosexual can have a flag that represents a sexual orientation or other lifestyles a teacher endorses. A heterosexual can’t have a BDSM flag or display a religious flag, for example. This isn’t a gay issue at all. It is an issue of promoting a safe environment for student education.

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Well then by that standard of promoting a safe environment then the LGBT flag should definitely be displayed to give queer students a feeling of safety and to easily recognize those who are approachable.

Shaul said:

It most certainly is about promoting a particular opinion and lifestyle. The teacher was wrong. Teachers can’t use their classrooms as personal forum for their own agendas. This teacher certainly has an agenda. An agenda unfit for the classroom.

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What agenda was being promoted?
And keep in mind being queer is more than sex. Just as how being straight is more than sex.

Subduction Zone said:

I have my doubts if someone is naturally into BDSM.

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I am.
Everything else in the post I agree with.

Shadow Wolf said:

What agenda was being promoted?
And keep in mind being queer is more than sex. Just as how being straight is more than sex.

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Too many straight people cannot understand the difference. They assume the "worst". There have been studies that have linked homophobia with latent homosexuality and the fantasies that these people seem to have appears to confirm that. I am sure that the life of two gay men living together is as boring as the everyday life of a straight husband and wife.

Shadow Wolf said:

I am.
Everything else in the post I agree with.

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Okay, I am not an expert in such matters.