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The True Definition Of Atheism?

Kfox

Well-Known Member
No, YOU'RE talking about God as a living being (as a specific religious conception/depiction of the God ideal). And still you cannot seem to grasp the difference, or why it matters.
The reason I’m talking about God as a living being is because that is what this thread is all about! Notice the thread is titled
“the true definition of Atheism”

Atheist don’t deny God as a philosophical proposition, they deny him as an actual being. Now if you wanna talk about God being a philosophical proposition, I would encourage you to start another thread and I would be more than happy to discuss this with you; but this thread appears to be something you are not interested in talking about.
I am not interested in arguing with you or anyone else about the many various personal and religious conceptions people choose to hold about the possible nature and existence of 'God'. I don't care what you or anyone else "believes in" regarding the 'God' proposal.
Then start another thread; I’d be more than happy to discuss it with you.
Do you agree with the proposition that a God of some kind likely exists, and does significantly effect humanity?
Describe God, and I will tell you if I believe he likely exists or not.
If so, you are a 'theist'. If you reject this proposition as being unlikely, then you are an atheist. It's really just that simple.
No it’s not that simple. Depending on your description, I might call what you call God; something else other than God. This would still put me in the Atheist camp even though I believe what you call God does exist.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The reason I’m talking about God as a living being is because that is what this thread is all about! Notice the thread is titled
“the true definition of Atheism”
If it is, then atheists are fools. Because they haven't even managed to recognize the idea that they're supposedly rejecting. Instead, all they've managed to recognize are the imaginary depictions of the idea held by SOME theists. And in fact I think you're right; that this IS the prime motive of many self-professed atheists, which is why I tend to see many self-professed atheists as intellectually immature, and quite confused.
Atheist don’t deny God as a philosophical proposition, they deny him as an actual being.
Which is an incoherent position, since to uphold the proposition as possible, while denying the proposition as a reality, is quite incoherent. OR, if you are merely objecting to the religious depictions of God, then you aren't really an atheist at all. You're just a confused, anti-religious antagonist wrongly calling yourself an atheist. Being anti-religious does not make you an atheist. And the fact that you think it does is why I've said all along that you have not managed to differentiate between religion and theism.

The problem is that you have no grounds upon which to reject the theist proposition. And yet you WANT TO reject it, anyway. So you deliberately confuse and conflate the theist proposition with the most absurd religious depictions and proclamations about the existence of God, so you can dismiss the theist proposition along with the religious artifice.
Now if you wanna talk about God being a philosophical proposition, I would encourage you to start another thread and I would be more than happy to discuss this with you; but this thread appears to be something you are not interested in talking about.
This thread is about the definition of an atheist. And that is what I am clarifying here. That being anti-religious is not the same as being atheist.
Describe God, and I will tell you if I believe he likely exists or not.
No one cares whether you believe God exists or not. We only care about what you assert to be true, or untrue, and why.
No it’s not that simple. Depending on your description, I might call what you call God; something else other than God.
How you or I choose to conceptualize God is irrelevant to the proposition that God exists. It's only relevant to the various religions and the ways they choose to conceptualize the existence of God.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
If it is, then atheists are fools. Because they haven't even managed to recognize the idea that they're supposedly rejecting. Instead, all they've managed to recognize are the imaginary depictions of the idea held by SOME theists.
That’s because the imaginary depictions held by SOME theists are all that exist when it comes to God. The ideas will vary from theist to theist. All we have to work with is what theists give us.
Which is an incoherent position, since to uphold the proposition as possible, while denying the proposition as a reality, is quite incoherent.
No it is not. Propositions only exist in your thoughts; IOW propositions are all figments of your imagination. Nobody denies God/Gods will exist in some very wild imaginations; what we deny is that they exist in reality.
No one cares whether you believe God exists or not. We only care about what you assert to be true, or untrue, and why.
Then why did you ask if I agreed with the proposition that God exist?
How you or I choose to conceptualize God is irrelevant to the proposition that God exists. It's only relevant to the various religions and the ways they choose to conceptualize the existence of God.
Again; if you are asking if God exist in your imagination, of course! And this existence can be very real to the person imagining him. Just like Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, or countless other fictional characters. But if you’re asking if God is more than just a proposition; but an actual being? That’s where the Atheism comes in.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
This thread is about the definition of an atheist. And that is what I am clarifying here.

Atheism
noun

1. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

CLARIFIED...
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"belief" is not the criteria defining theism.

Theism
noun

1. belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
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Belief is simply not relevant to the idea being presented as truth.

Belief
noun

1. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
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Is this guy always this annoyed that atheists don't share his beliefs?

Every single post of his I've read is trying to rewrite the dictionary, in an idiotic attempt to insist disbelief carries a burden of proof.
 
What is the true definition of atheism? I mean, I know that I said that I was an atheist before, but I'm not actually sure what I should or shouldn't believe in, to be completely honest.

That being said, does anyone have any answers?

Edit (4/12/2018) — Thanks for the likes, guys; I really appreciate it.
The answer is in the power of faith. Supernatural faith is spiritual. Its a heightened ability to use natural faith to gain spiritual success and connection to God Who is spirit. The answer to what is good is in relationships with Jesus. Cast your cares upon Him for He cares for you. 1 Peter 5:7
 
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