Cancel culture used to control speech?

Deo Vindice · Sep 10, 2021

It seems that exercising your 1st amendment rights will trigger a witch hunt, where challenging the MSM's spoonfed script will result in attempts to silence dissenters by shaming and doxing them.

Tennessee teen talking about grandma who died of Covid heckled by adults at school board meeting

‘Anti-Mask Karen’ fired over viral grocery store coughing video

Imagine a comic book where the villains tricked those who need rescued into seeing them as the heroes, and into seeing the actual heroes as the villains. Imagine being reviled rather than revered for fighting for truth and justice.

That's the world we now live in.

Jeremiah Ames · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
It seems that exercising your 1st amendment rights will trigger a witch hunt, where challenging the MSM's spoonfed script will result in attempts to silence dissenters by shaming and doxing them.

Tennessee teen talking about grandma who died of Covid heckled by adults at school board meeting

‘Anti-Mask Karen’ fired over viral grocery store coughing video

Imagine a comic book where the villains tricked those who need rescued into seeing them as the heroes, and into seeing the actual heroes as the villains. Imagine being reviled rather than revered for fighting for truth and justice.

That's the world we now live in.

You seem to be an expert at “soundbites”

AlexanderG · Sep 10, 2021

People telling you that they think you're an ******* when you say horribly offensive things is not a violation of your freedom of speech.

You're free to say whatever you like. Saying certain things will have social or professional consequences. In some scenarios, if everyone else around you is an *******, then saying reasonable things will result in negative social or professional consequences. This entails no oppression, or unlawful action, or any violation of rights.

Meow Mix · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
It seems that exercising your 1st amendment rights will trigger a witch hunt, where challenging the MSM's spoonfed script will result in attempts to silence dissenters by shaming and doxing them.

Tennessee teen talking about grandma who died of Covid heckled by adults at school board meeting

‘Anti-Mask Karen’ fired over viral grocery store coughing video

Imagine a comic book where the villains tricked those who need rescued into seeing them as the heroes, and into seeing the actual heroes as the villains. Imagine being reviled rather than revered for fighting for truth and justice.

That's the world we now live in.

I'm having trouble understanding your point. From your text, you're speaking against the "mainstream media," but the links you provided are:

A kid telling a story about his grandmother dying, and people in the crowd laughing at him as he says masks are a good idea
A woman literally endangering people by deliberately coughing on them being fired

From the first link, I'm not sure who's being cancelled. Are you siding with people laughing at a kid relaying a story about the death of his grandmother? I initially assumed not automatically because of how callous that would be, but now I have to wonder, are you?

From the second link, these are clearly not the actions of a mature, intelligible, sane person. She approached someone who was just minding their own business to accost them about wearing a mask. Why would a company want someone that clearly needs some kind of help representing them?

You say the heroes and the villains have been swapped.

Are you calling people that accost a kid over his dead grandmother heroes? Are you calling a disturbed lady that endangers people minding their own business a hero?

What are your values here?

John53 · Sep 10, 2021

I admit to knowing nothing about the American constitution but how is not being allowed to deliberately cough on someone a violation of her rights? She should have charged with assault as well as being fired.

Stevicus · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
It seems that exercising your 1st amendment rights will trigger a witch hunt, where challenging the MSM's spoonfed script will result in attempts to silence dissenters by shaming and doxing them.

Tennessee teen talking about grandma who died of Covid heckled by adults at school board meeting

‘Anti-Mask Karen’ fired over viral grocery store coughing video

Imagine a comic book where the villains tricked those who need rescued into seeing them as the heroes, and into seeing the actual heroes as the villains. Imagine being reviled rather than revered for fighting for truth and justice.

That's the world we now live in.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but the story about the kid indicated some rather disgraceful behavior by the people heckling him when he was talking about his grandmother who died of COVID.

I saw the story about the 'Anti-Mask Karen' earlier this week. That woman is definitely messed up in the head.

The only threat to free speech I would see in either of these stories would be the kid's First Amendment rights were hindered by people telling him to "shut up."

Debater Slayer · Sep 10, 2021

Stevicus said:
The only threat to free speech I would see in either of these stories would be the kid's First Amendment rights were hindered by people telling him to "shut up."

And the threat to the right of people to wear a mask without being physically endangered by a malicious nutjob intentionally coughing on them.

Shadow Wolf · Sep 10, 2021

John53 said:
I admit to knowing nothing about the American constitution but how is not being allowed to deliberately cough on someone a violation of her rights? She should have charged with assault as well as being fired.

It is a crime to deliberately spit on someone. I don't think deliberately coughing on someone would be viewed much differently in light of an ongoing deadly pandemic.

Deo Vindice · Sep 10, 2021

Heckling a kid for exploiting his grandmother's death (if real) to further an ulterior political agenda is standing up for truth.

Fake sneezing would fall under expression. How wold you trigger a real sneeze on command?

Sometimes you have to be "rude" to wake people up for their own good.

Evangelicalhumanist · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
It seems that exercising your 1st amendment rights will trigger a witch hunt, where challenging the MSM's spoonfed script will result in attempts to silence dissenters by shaming and doxing them.

Tennessee teen talking about grandma who died of Covid heckled by adults at school board meeting

‘Anti-Mask Karen’ fired over viral grocery store coughing video

Imagine a comic book where the villains tricked those who need rescued into seeing them as the heroes, and into seeing the actual heroes as the villains. Imagine being reviled rather than revered for fighting for truth and justice.

That's the world we now live in.

I am sick to death of "cancel culture," and all the other "WOKE" nonsense I'm inundated with every day.

When I was a kid, we went outside and played without supervision -- and we fell down, and hurt ourselves, and developed antibodies while we were doing it. Almost nobody was allergic to peanuts. Supervision was minimal and we experienced a kind of joyful freedom.

When I got to high school, I was introduced to Shakespeare. Guess what --- Shylock was a Jew, and Othello was a black man tupping a white ewe (that's almost a quote). And Romeo and Juliet had sex when she was just 13! And we lived.

We knew about the bigotry that existed, yet we read the "n-word" in Harper Lee's "To Kill a Mockingbird" without learning to hate, and we understood that Tchaikovsky's "Chinese Dance" wasn't meant to demean, just to express how that culture appeared to them at the time.

I even understand that the first Prime Minister of Canada was not perfect, and had anti-Indian sentiments, and that many great American leaders owned slaves -- because that's how it was THEN.

Have we become so completely stupid that we are incapable of realizing that every human who ever lived, lived and understood the world in their own time, and according to the lights that existed then?

I HATE "Woke" rubbish and Cancel Culture.

sun rise · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
Heckling a kid for exploiting his grandmother's death (if real) to further an ulterior political agenda is standing up for truth.

Truth??? I call that behavior of heckling a kid utterly evil. There is nothing "true" about it and it's as far as I'm concerned the opposite of Christian because it's devoid of loving your neighbor - instead it's hate your neighbor. It's choosing mammon over God.

sun rise · Sep 10, 2021

And of course they are trying to cancel speech with their behavior.

Meow Mix · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
Heckling a kid for exploiting his grandmother's death (if real) to further an ulterior political agenda is standing up for truth.

Fake sneezing would fall under expression. How wold you trigger a real sneeze on command?

Sometimes you have to be "rude" to wake people up for their own good.

This is so laughably absurd that I judge it's not worth a serious response.

Welcome to RF, I guess. I can tell you'll make some waves

Meow Mix · Sep 10, 2021

I'm getting Poe's Law vibes, but I understand unfortunately that these opinions might be very real. Crazy world.

Debater Slayer · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
Heckling a kid for exploiting his grandmother's death (if real) to further an ulterior political agenda is standing up for truth.

And how exactly did you judge that he was "using" his grandmother's death? He was citing it as an example of why following medically advised precautions is especially crucial during the pandemic. He did it in a way that indicates far more reason and composure than his hecklers showed, too.

The only "ulterior political agenda" I see here is your selective dismissal of the kid's loss in order to further anti-science, tribalistic political views.

Fake sneezing would fall under expression. How wold you trigger a real sneeze on command?

Except we're talking about coughing, and that's beside the point either way because you can still infect someone with COVID via aerosols while talking, let alone intentionally coughing or otherwise blowing your breath or droplets of saliva in their direction.

Sometimes you have to be "rude" to wake people up for their own good.

You should probably hope that people with less absurd beliefs don't take this approach with you in particular.

Debater Slayer · Sep 10, 2021

Evangelicalhumanist said:
I am sick to death of "cancel culture," and all the other "WOKE" nonsense I'm inundated with every day.

When I was a kid, we went outside and played without supervision -- and we fell down, and hurt ourselves, and developed antibodies while we were doing it. Almost nobody was allergic to peanuts. Supervision was minimal and we experienced a kind of joyful freedom.

When I got to high school, I was introduced to Shakespeare. Guess what --- Shylock was a Jew, and Othello was a black man tupping a white ewe (that's almost a quote). And Romeo and Juliet had sex when she was just 13! And we lived.

We knew about the bigotry that existed, yet we read the "n-word" in Harper Lee's "To Kill a Mockingbird" without learning to hate, and we understood that Tchaikovsky's "Chinese Dance" wasn't meant to demean, just to express how that culture appeared to them at the time.

I even understand that the first Prime Minister of Canada was not perfect, and had anti-Indian sentiments, and that many great American leaders owned slaves -- because that's how it was THEN.

Have we become so completely stupid that we are incapable of realizing that every human who ever lived, lived and understood the world in their own time, and according to the lights that existed then?

I HATE "Woke" rubbish and Cancel Culture.

Would you mind clarifying how the above relates or applies to the stories in the OP?

AlexanderG · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
Heckling a kid for exploiting his grandmother's death (if real) to further an ulterior political agenda is standing up for truth.

Can you hear yourself? Can you take a step back and just evaluate where you've ended up in life, that you would mock a child for asking his community to help make sure no more of his family dies? Is this the sort of person you want to be, and how you want to represent your religion to the broader world?

Deo Vindice · Sep 10, 2021

Meow Mix said:
I'm getting Poe's Law vibes, but I understand unfortunately that these opinions might be very real. Crazy world.

What does a dead poet have to do with anything?

Stevicus · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
Heckling a kid for exploiting his grandmother's death (if real) to further an ulterior political agenda is standing up for truth.

Well, they could have just politely listened. If they wanted to speak at a public meeting, they could have waited their turn. He had the floor at that moment. Gotta follow some rules, you know, even in the pursuit of "truth."

We don't know that his story is fake. It sounds like something that would be easy to verify.

People should just try to ride this out until it's over. It's been hellish these past 18 months, and it's understandable that people are under a great deal of duress. But we can't just start going bonkers here. Let's try to keep our feet on the ground.

Fake sneezing would fall under expression. How wold you trigger a real sneeze on command?

Sometimes you have to be "rude" to wake people up for their own good.

I don't how to do a fake sneeze (not one that would be realistic enough), but a fake cough is easy enough.

Meow Mix · Sep 10, 2021

Deo Vindice said:
What does a dead poet have to do with anything?

Poe's Law is a colloquialism for when someone is behaving in such a stereotypical and absurd way that it's difficult to tell whether they're serious or whether they're a troll.

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