Republican Congressman Madison Cawthorn Suggests Violence if Republicans Lose Elections

Wandering Monk · Sep 5, 2021

"If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

Will the party of law and order slap him down? Don't hold your breath for Republicans leaders in Congress to do so.

PoetPhilosopher · Sep 5, 2021

Now that a lot of people have grasped the subject of internet trolls and learned to ignore them, it seems the idea of trolling has moved from the internet to real life politics.

We Never Know · Sep 5, 2021

Wandering Monk said:
"If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

Will the party of law and order slap him down? Don't hold your breath for Republicans leaders in Congress to do so.

Talk about quoting out of context...

At 1:17
"The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

F1fan · Sep 6, 2021

We Never Know said:
Talk about quoting out of context...

At 1:17
"The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

Since there was no election rigged or stolen he's referring to trump's lie about the 2020 election results. So this guy is corrupt like trump and can't be trusted. These folks pose a threat to national security and our election system. There is another Capitol rally planned on Sept 18, so we will see how these people behave and what threat they pose to our future. Will they threaten violence at poll sites where democrats tend to do well? I have heard reports of this being discussed by pro-trump people. Is this the best they can do? They cannot win with better ideas than Democrats so they need to threaten our elections?

fantome profane · Sep 6, 2021

We Never Know said:
Talk about quoting out of context...

At 1:17
"The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

If you believe something was stolen from you, doesn’t matter what, your car, your phone, your wallet/purse etc, there are proper procedures to follow. You need to go through the proper legal channels and have your day in court. You need to have evidence to present to the court and you have to abide by the court’s ruling. You can’t just walk up to somebody and say “give it back or there will be bloodshed”. It is called the rule of law.

These guys had their day in court, they failed to bring evidence.

If I said to you,”give me back the 100$ you stole from me or there will be bloodshed”, that is a threat, I could and should go to prison for saying that.

Kenny · Sep 6, 2021

We Never Know said:
Talk about quoting out of context...

At 1:17
"The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

Isn't that what the media does? Does this, then, qualify as fake news?

Valjean · Sep 6, 2021

F1fan said:
Since there was no election rigged or stolen he's referring to trump's lie about the 2020 election results. So this guy is corrupt like trump and can't be trusted. These folks pose a threat to national security and our election system. There is another Capitol rally planned on Sept 18, so we will see how these people behave and what threat they pose to our future. Will they threaten violence at poll sites where democrats tend to do well? I have heard reports of this being discussed by pro-trump people. Is this the best they can do? They cannot win with better ideas than Democrats so they need to threaten our elections?

fantome profane said:
These guys had their day in court, they failed to bring evidence.

It's amazing how poor many people are at actually thinking. Perceiving relevant facts, evaluating evidence, and drawing logical conclusions simply don't enter into their decision making processes or perception of the world.
Consider how many people are sincerely convinced of the Q-anon conspiracy or a flat Earth, despite no supporting evidence at all. Conversely, consider the widespread disbelief in evolution or climate change, despite massive evidentiary support.

People convince themselves of whatever they want to be true; what's comfortable for them. They feel rather than think.
Cawthorn may sincerely believe his tribal, jingoist rhetoric.

Daemon Sophic · Sep 6, 2021

Valjean said:
It's amazing how poor many people are at actually thinking. Perceiving relevant facts, evaluating evidence, and drawing logical conclusions simply don't enter into their decision making processes or perception of the world.
Consider how many people are sincerely convinced of the Q-anon conspiracy or a flat Earth, despite no supporting evidence at all. Conversely, consider the widespread disbelief in evolution or climate change, despite massive evidentiary support.

People convince themselves of whatever they want to be true; what's comfortable for them. They feel rather than think.
Cawthorn may sincerely believe his tribal, jingoist rhetoric.

Yes. There are two ways to evaluate these politicians who promote the lies that they do.
1. Uncaring liars, who are willing to sacrifice our nation and the people that make up their constituents in order to further their own goals of political power.
OR….
2. Egregiously misled and blindingly stupid twits, who have the information/facts/truth available to them, yet they fully and wholeheartedly continue to believe the lies that have been spoon fed to them by liars who know better than them.

That’s it. No 3rd choice on their side of reality’s outer edge.
So…..
Which one should have a position of power?
Which one of the two listed lie supporters is a greater threat to our nation, and democracy in all its forms?

Wandering Monk · Sep 6, 2021

I think all the stress over the last year (Floyd riots, Covid, elections loss) has hijacked the amygdala of many of these folks. They are in a constant 'fight or flight' mode and their frontal lobes can't cope.

F1fan · Sep 6, 2021

I do think there is a fairly large number of people who would support violence if elections do go for republicans. This would be justified as some sort of civil war. But the dilemma of these folks is who they will attack. The Jan 6 group attacked police who were conveniently uniformed, and even sought members of congress including republicans like Pence. To act in this way requires leadership and some degree of organization. But as we know these group can act like terrorist cells and be very unpredictable. Imagine off the day before elections these groups vowed to shoot at polling stations where there are lines of voters, many of whom tend to vote democrat. How does law enforcement protect these people? How much would this make voters avoid the polls, especially as mail in voting is being limited in many states?

Wandering Monk · Sep 6, 2021

F1fan said:
I do think there is a fairly large number of people who would support violence if elections do go for republicans. This would be justified as some sort of civil war. But the dilemma of these folks is who they will attack. The Jan 6 group attacked police who were conveniently uniformed, and even sought members of congress including republicans like Pence. To act in this way requires leadership and some degree of organization. But as we know these group can act like terrorist cells and be very unpredictable. Imagine off the day before elections these groups vowed to shoot at polling stations where there are lines of voters, many of whom tend to vote democrat. How does law enforcement protect these people? How much would this make voters avoid the polls, especially as mail in voting is being limited in many states?

Another tactic is to threaten poll workers: Trump-inspired death threats are terrorizing election workers

We Never Know · Sep 6, 2021

F1fan said:
Since there was no election rigged or stolen he's referring to trump's lie about the 2020 election results. So this guy is corrupt like trump and can't be trusted. These folks pose a threat to national security and our election system. There is another Capitol rally planned on Sept 18, so we will see how these people behave and what threat they pose to our future. Will they threaten violence at poll sites where democrats tend to do well? I have heard reports of this being discussed by pro-trump people. Is this the best they can do? They cannot win with better ideas than Democrats so they need to threaten our elections?

It doesn't matter if a person agrees or disagrees with what was said. Quoting out of context is quoting out of context.

We Never Know · Sep 6, 2021

fantome profane said:
If you believe something was stolen from you, doesn’t matter what, your car, your phone, your wallet/purse etc, there are proper procedures to follow. You need to go through the proper legal channels and have your day in court. You need to have evidence to present to the court and you have to abide by the court’s ruling. You can’t just walk up to somebody and say “give it back or there will be bloodshed”. It is called the rule of law.

These guys had their day in court, they failed to bring evidence.

If I said to you,”give me back the 100$ you stole from me or there will be bloodshed”, that is a threat, I could and should go to prison for saying that.

It doesn't matter if a person agrees or disagrees with what was said. Quoting out of context is quoting out of context.

9-10ths_Penguin · Sep 6, 2021

We Never Know said:
Talk about quoting out of context...

At 1:17
"The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

Ah... so his threat of violence was made in the context of a lie about the legitimacy of American elections. That changes everything.

F1fan · Sep 6, 2021

We Never Know said:
It doesn't matter if a person agrees or disagrees with what was said. Quoting out of context is quoting out of context.

Now that that is resolved, we can assess what the guy said and it is as false, corrupt, and as untrustworthy as trump. That has consequences that are putting the USA is serious jeopardy. Do you have concerns about violence against America by these right wing extremists?

We Never Know · Sep 6, 2021

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Ah... so his threat of violence was made in the context of a lie about the legitimacy of American elections. That changes everything.

The OP states..
""If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

What is actually said is..
""The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

I highlighted in red the only words they OP used out of what the guy said.

Put your bias and political crap aside. That is quoting out of context and you know it.

I have pointed out the same when people have said things about Biden or Trump.

At least I can be honest about what i say whether its for or against Biden or Trump.

F1fan · Sep 6, 2021

We Never Know said:
The OP states..
""If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

What is actually said is..
""The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

I highlighted in red the only words they OP used out of what the guy said.

Put your bias and political crap aside. That is quoting out of context and you know it.

I have pointed out the same when people have said things about Biden or Trump.

At least I can be honest about what i say whether its for or against Biden or Trump.

Their "votes not counting" is being asserted because of the false claim that the elections are rigged and stolen. So the blood shed will not be based on fact, rather corruption spread by a corrupt former president and his co-conspirators against the USA.

Would you support blood shed based on this set of lies?

Twilight Hue · Sep 6, 2021

Wandering Monk said:
"If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

Will the party of law and order slap him down? Don't hold your breath for Republicans leaders in Congress to do so.

Embellish much?

9-10ths_Penguin · Sep 6, 2021

We Never Know said:
The OP states..
""If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

What is actually said is..
""The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

I highlighted in red the only words they OP used out of what the guy said.

Put your bias and political crap aside. That is quoting out of context and you know it.

I have pointed out the same when people have said things about Biden or Trump.

At least I can be honest about what i say whether its for or against Biden or Trump.

So... your beef is that the quote in the OP was more of a fair paraphrasing than word-for-word correct?

I mean, your quote "in context" didn't refute the idea that he was threatening violence. It just made him look even worse.

We Never Know · Sep 6, 2021

9-10ths_Penguin said:
So... your beef is that the quote in the OP was more of a fair paraphrasing than word-for-word correct?

I mean, your quote "in context" didn't refute the idea that he was threatening violence. It just made him look even worse.

The OP states..
""If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

What is actually said is..
""The thing we are wanting to fight for is,, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

The guy in the video never says "If our votes don't count, there's going to be bloodshed."

He actually says "it doesn't matter if our votes don't count"

He then says "because if our election system continues to be rigged and continues to be stolen,, its going to lead to one place and that's blood shed"

And I hope any American would stand up and defend against any party or any election being rigged or stolen, if it ever happens.

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