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questfortruth

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Yahweh set the challenge to be given, and thus bears responsibility. Job 42:11 reinforces this, stating: "All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring."
It is usual interpretation, which we can expect from a disbeliever: "Yahweh set the challenge to be given, and thus bears responsibility." But I have much better interpretation:
In many such strange places of the Holy Bible is satan hidden under the names of "Most High", "Yahweh", because he is also god. There are two gods mixed together in the Bible. For example, there is the verse, that god has tried to murder Moses, and that Jacob was wrestling with god, and god was not able to escape.

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questfortruth

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Your god may be murdering other gods which tells you something about your god but that is not true of others. That also means your god is breaking one of his 10 commandments. If he does not believe in them why should anyone else.
“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat." Luke 22:31 NIV
Hence, there are compromises that happen between Jesus and satan. The "two gods" idea explains the "problem" with the "Our Father Prayer":

I think the two sentences: 1. do not lead us into temptation, 2. free us from the devil, must be seen as one thing. If God would keep the devil from us, then there will be no temptation at all. And we will never die, we will never get older.

 
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an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
There are two gods in Christianity.
Your premise reminds me of the premise set by Zoroastrianism. It has a dualist cosmology, where there is the evil God and the good God. The two spirits are in constant battle with each other for control of the universe. Our thoughts and actions contribute to that battle, for better or worse.
Zoroastrians are called monotheists, though they believe in these two gods.
And personally, as a Baha’i, I believe in the prophet Zoroaster so I believe the dualist cosmology is an accurate depiction of the universe.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Your premise reminds me of the premise set by Zoroastrianism. It has a dualist cosmology, where there is the evil God and the good God. The two spirits are in constant battle with each other for control of the universe. Our thoughts and actions contribute to that battle, for better or worse.
Zoroastrians are called monotheists, though they believe in these two gods.
And personally, as a Baha’i, I believe in the prophet Zoroaster so I believe the dualist cosmology is an accurate depiction of the universe.
Thank you, brother in Adam and Eve, please reread the previous comment I made about the "Our Father Prayer". For no reason, just it would feel nice if you would read it. Thanks.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Not according to my own definition of polytheism.
Well, we're talking about the English language. And Greek, from which "polytheism" is derived. Not this "I'm going to play fast-and-loose with language to fortify my beliefs" that many seem keen to do.

It is usual interpretation, which we can expect from a disbeliever: "Yahweh set the challenge to be given, and thus bears responsibility."
It's not an interpretation when it's clearly stated.
 

AlexanderG

Active Member
You have not debunked my idea, that there are two gods: one is Absolute Good, PERFECT SAINT,
but the other is PERFECT MURDERER. But even you can not call the satan saint: he has murdered Job's family and tricked Eve and Adam (and, thus, all humankind) into losing eternal life. Hence, every death case ever is his responsibility. He is the source of all killings and deaths: "satan was the Murderer from the beginning" (says, Eastern Orthodox Saint - Jesus Christ).

I mean, Satan informed them of what their actual choice was, and so Adam and Eve were empowered with information and proceeded to choose knowledge with mortality rather than immortality with ignorance. It was god who then chose to curse them for this, not Satan.

If Yaweh weren't a jealous psychopath, he could've instead welcomed them into the fold of sapient beings and helped guide them toward being the best they could. Instead, he made it all about himself and who adequately obeyed and worshipped him.

This literally reads like someone trying to help a battered wife get out of her marriage, but the the husband finds out and teaches the wife to respect his authority with a heavy beating because someone is "tricking" her to leave him. And all the while insisting he's insisting that he loves her so much, and the beating is all her fault. "Look what you made me do." It's disgusting and evil.
 
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