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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
ABSTRACT:

Was not Satan an Angel who is fallen? So not a God then...
"God is Spirit" (says Bible)
"The satan is evil spirit" (says Church)

I simply put these two dogmas together. The result: satan is god. Any fallen angel is no longer angel, but the devil. Why? Because Absolute Good can not create Absolute Evil. Otherwise, only Absolute Evil exists, and then the atheists would be right: "there is no Jesus, just satan".

Satan seems like the good god, and Yaweh the evil one.
You have not debunked my idea, that there are two gods: one is Absolute Good, PERFECT SAINT,
but the other is PERFECT MURDERER. But even you can not call the satan saint: he has murdered Job's family and tricked Eve and Adam (and, thus, all humankind) into losing eternal life. Hence, every death case ever is his responsibility. He is the source of all killings and deaths: "satan was the Murderer from the beginning" (says, Eastern Orthodox Saint - Jesus Christ).

Yahweh set the challenge to be given, and thus bears responsibility. Job 42:11 reinforces this, stating: "All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring."

It is usual interpretation, which we can expect from a disbeliever: "Yahweh set the challenge to be given, and thus bears responsibility." But I have much better interpretation:
In many such strange places of the Holy Bible is satan hidden under the names of "Most High", "Yahweh", because he is also god. There are two gods mixed together in the Bible.
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For example, there is the verse, that god has tried to murder Moses, and that Jakob was wrestling with god, and god was not able
to escape.

TWO GODS IN CHRISTIANITY:

No, polytheists believe in two or more gods.

Not according to my own definition of polytheism. Look: any definition in textbooks and Wikipedia is a compromise between Reason (Jesus) and Madness (satan). Both gods must allow for something to be written into textbooks. Such compromises are, for example, Darwinian Theory of Evolution, and Capitalism. They both have something good and something evil. Each sickness and death case is the result of such compromises. But the God Jesus cries and grieves, when bad things happen:

Why did divine Jesus grieved in spirit and cried when he learned about the death of Lazarus, his friend? Because not everything happens according to His will. There are two gods in the Holy Bible:

1. Existing and eternally alive: Life (Love = Jesus Christ).

2. Non-existent and eternally dead: Death (satan = hatred).

Why? The satan is called "god" by the Holy Bible: "For unbelievers whose minds have been blinded by the god of this world" 2 Cor. 4: 4.



DEFINITION OF GOD:

God is the Name: "in the beginning was the Word" (Bible). It is the Holy Name of the one and only Being in the world.


Therefore, satan cannot be called the real God. The satan stole the name "god" for himself. But since there is an evil spirit, and the spirit is a god, that is, there are two gods. One God is True and the other is False god. The false god (idol) is not God, because he is false. It's like: a false saint is a sinner; the false policeman is a bandit; the false egg is a plastic egg.

This can be compared with Schrödinger's Cat from Quantum Physics: the logic is broken there: the cat is not alive, and not dead. But satan and his slaves are always dead, just like vampires and zombies in movies.

PROOF OF TWO GODS IN CHRISTIANITY:

How can the enemy of God not be god himself?!
"The god is dead, we have murdered him" (F. Nietzsche). But
"only a god can kill another god" (film "Wonder Woman")


On the contrary, the enemy of God [the Antichrist] will not only declare himself a god (there is a verse in Bible), but he will be a god. God is Spirit. There are two spirits: the Holy Spirit, and the evil spirit.

ATHEISTS ARE INTELLECTUALS:

This verse in the Bible "the atheists are fools" (Book of Psalms) is not scientific, it needs the following commenting. Because the Bible does not interpret itself, and Jesus Christ has said: "whoever calls another person a fool, must go to hell". We need the collective mind of the Church to study and even debate [not with atheists, but rather between Christians] over the Holy Bible.

Smart and mentally healthy people are not dumb or stupid. Just like atheists and polytheists are not fools. Because there are two fundamental gods: Absolute Good and Absolute Evil. Their combination produces a whole multitude of gods and goddesses: "you will be like gods who know Good and Evil" (Bible, devil).

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CONCLUSION:

So.... polytheism.
No. The polytheist serves and worships at least two gods.

There are two gods in Christianity. But Christianity differs from all other religions in that it OPENLY and EXPRESSLY commands to serve only one of the gods: "there are many so-called gods" (Bible, Apostle), "worship the Lord your God and serve Him alone" (Jesus Christ).

FROM DISCUSSION:

And I wonder how the paradigm of hell fits into this two-god model.
Because satan is the god of Death, pain, and sickness, hell is his kingdom. Because he is spirit. Therefore, he is the pain itself, the Death itself, the suffering itself. The lie itself. All bad things themselves. In my Religion we write the name of satan with lowercase s, not with capital S.
Why? Because God Jesus has the personality. But as there is nothing in common between Good and Evil, satan has lost his personality. He is absolute nothingness.

 
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Alienistic

Anti-conformity
On the contrary, the enemy of God [the Antichrist] will not only declare himself a god (there is a verse in Bible), but he will be a god. God is Spirit. There are two spirits: the Holy Spirit, and the evil spirit.

Also two “fathers” according to some texts in the “bible.”
 

AlexanderG

Active Member
This kind of interpretation superficially solves the problem of evil, although it leads one to wonder what the metaphysical explanation would be for two opposed gods. So many apologetics are focused on the need for a single disembodied mind existing eternally, etc.

Also, from a cursory read through the bible, Satan seems like the good god, and Yaweh the evil one. Satan doesn't explicitly lie anywhere, does he? Whereas god hardens pharaoh's heart to justify killing all the first borns to show off, sends people powerful delusions and lying spirits, seems to lie to Adam and Eve, etc. God commits countless moral atrocities and appears to be an evil psychopathic monster, whereas Satan only seems to test people's convictions at worst, and he personally refuses to submit to the moral monster Yaweh.

If anything, Satan's primary concerns seems to be self-respect and self-determination, which are virtues aren't they? I mean, I guess they're not Christian virtues. By contrast, Yaweh demands servile, unquestioning obedience on pain of infinite torture, and indicates that humans are worthless without his personal favor.

And I wonder how the paradigm of hell fits into this two-god model. Traditionally, Satan is condemned to hell as a punishment. If Satan is the "god of the world" then what need does he have for a hell to live in, or how could he be forced to reside there? And if hell does exist then is hell not part of Yaweh's design, but something set up against his will by Satan? It's very confusing. Maybe hell is a great place and Yaweh was basically spouting more lies about it, because he didn't want people going there instead of people being trapped with him, required to eternally worship his ego?
 
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The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
DEFINITION OF GOD:

God is the Name: "in the beginning was the Word" (Bible). It is the Holy Name of the one and only Being in the world.
That's your interpretation, that the bible - specifically - was "the word". But also no, that's not the definition of "god".

god noun
\ ˈgäd also ˈgȯd \
plural gods

1: the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe
Does she believe in God?
(May) God bless us all.
2: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions
the gods and goddesses of ancient Egypt
a Hindu god
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
TWO GODS IN CHRISTIANITY:

Why did divine Jesus grieved in spirit and cried when he learned about the death of Lazarus, his friend? Because not everything happens according to His will. There are two gods in the Holy Bible:

1. Existing and eternally alive: Life (Love = Jesus Christ).

2. Non-existent and eternally dead: Death (satan = hatred).

Why? The satan is called "god" by the Holy Bible: "For unbelievers whose minds have been blinded by the god of this world" 2 Cor. 4: 4.



DEFINITION OF GOD:

God is the Name: "in the beginning was the Word" (Bible). It is the Holy Name of the one and only Being in the world.


Therefore, satan cannot be called the real God. The satan stole the name "god" for himself. But since there is an evil spirit, and the spirit is a god, that is, there are two gods. One God is True and the other is False god. The false god (idol) is not God, because he is false. It's like: a false saint is a sinner; the false policeman is a bandit; the false egg is a plastic egg.

This can be compared with Schrödinger's Cat from Quantum Physics: the logic is broken there: the cat is not alive, and not dead. But satan and his slaves are always dead, just like vampires and zombies in movies.

PROOF OF TWO GODS IN CHRISTIANITY:

How can the enemy of God not be god himself?!
"The god is dead, we have murdered him" (F. Nietzsche). But
"only a god can kill another god" (film "Wonder Woman")


On the contrary, the enemy of God [the Antichrist] will not only declare himself a god (there is a verse in Bible), but he will be a god. God is Spirit. There are two spirits: the Holy Spirit, and the evil spirit.

ATHEISTS ARE INTELLECTUALS:

This verse in the Bible "the atheists are fools" (Book of Psalms) is not scientific, it needs the following commenting. Because the Bible does not interpret itself, and Jesus Christ has said: "whoever calls another person a fool, must go to hell". We need the collective mind of the Church to study and even debate [not with atheists, but rather between Christians] over the Holy Bible.

Smart and mentally healthy people are not dumb or stupid. Just like atheists and polytheists are not fools. Because there are two fundamental gods: Absolute Good and Absolute Evil. Their combination produces a whole multitude of gods and goddesses: "you will be like gods who know Good and Evil" (Bible, devil).

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CONCLUSION:

Yes, there are two gods in Christianity. But Christianity differs from all other religions in that it OPENLY and EXPRESSLY commands to serve only one of the gods: "there are many so-called gods" (Bible, Apostle), "worship the Lord your God and serve Him alone" (Jesus Christ).

Your god may be murdering other gods which tells you something about your god but that is not true of others. That also means your god is breaking one of his 10 commandments. If he does not believe in them why should anyone else.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...There are two gods in the Holy Bible:...

I think that is not true, because Bible tells:

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

the Father is greater than I (Jesus).
John 14:28
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
And I wonder how the paradigm of hell fits into this two-god model.
Because satan is the god of Death, pain, and sickness, hell is his kingdom. Because he is spirit. Therefore, he is the pain itself, the Death itself, the suffering itself. The lie itself. All bad things themselves. In my Religion we write the name of satan with lowercase s, not with capital S.
Why? Because God Jesus has the personality. But as there is nothing in common between Good and Evil, satan has lost his personality. He is absolute nothingness.

 

Treasure Hunter

Well-Known Member
Satan cannot and does not supersede God’s sovereignty, so we shouldn’t falsely attempt to divorce God from pain, death, and hell. It’s true that Satan does stand in the God position and misrepresent himself.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Because satan is the god of Death, pain, and sickness, hell is his kingdom. Because he is spirit. Therefore, he is the pain itself, the Death itself, the suffering itself. The lie itself. All bad things themselves. In my Religion we write the name of satan with lowercase s, not with capital S.
Why? Because God Jesus has the personality. But as there is nothing in common between Good and Evil, satan has lost his personality. He is absolute nothingness.

Was not Satan an Angel who is fallen? So not a God then...
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Because satan is the god of Death, pain, and sickness,
So.... polytheism.

hell is his kingdom.
Perdition, more accurately. Hel has nothing to do with the Abrahamic pantheon. What's more, what perdition is, is more likely what humans have made of it.


In my Religion we write the name of satan with lowercase s, not with capital S.
What's ironic here is that this is the adverb form of satan, a state in which any being can be. The actual angel who rebelled against the throne of Heaven? Samael, named as satan-Samael - "Samael who Rebelled (Against the Will of God)".
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Satan seems like the good god, and Yaweh the evil one.
You have not debunked my idea, that there are two gods: one is Absolute Good, PERFECT SAINT,
but the other is PERFECT MURDERER. But even you can not call the satan saint: he has murdered Job's family and tricked Eve and Adam (and, thus, all humankind) into losing eternal life. Hence, every death case ever is his responsibility. He is the source of all killings and deaths: "satan was the Murderer from the beginning" (says, Eastern Orthodox Saint - Jesus Christ).
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
So.... polytheism.
No. The polytheist serves and worships at least two gods.

There are two gods in Christianity. But Christianity differs from all other religions in that it OPENLY and EXPRESSLY commands to serve only one of the gods: "there are many so-called gods" (Bible, Apostle), "worship the Lord your God and serve Him alone" (Jesus Christ).
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
No. The polytheist serves and worships at least two gods.
No, polytheists believe in two or more gods. If your religion has at least two gods, it's polytheism.

Please reread the Bible. I strongly oppose that lie.
Yahweh set the challenge to be given, and thus bears responsibility. Job 42:11 reinforces this, stating: "All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring."
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Yahweh set the challenge to be given, and thus bears responsibility. Job 42:11 reinforces this, stating: "All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver and a gold ring."

This verse in the Bible "the atheists are fools" (Book of Psalms) is not scientific, it needs the following commenting. Because the Bible does not interpret itself, and Jesus Christ has said: "whoever calls another person a fool, must go to hell". We need the collective mind of the Church to study and even debate [not with atheists, but rather between Christians] over the Holy Bible.

No, polytheists believe in two or more gods.

Not according to my own definition of polytheism. Look: any definition in textbooks and Wikipedia is a compromise between Reason (Jesus) and Madness (satan). Both gods must allow for something to be written into textbooks. Such compromises are, for example, Darwinian Theory of Evolution, and Capitalism. They both have something good and something evil. Each sickness and death case is the result of such compromises. But the God Jesus cries and grieves, when bad things happen:

Why did divine Jesus grieved in spirit and cried when he learned about the death of Lazarus, his friend? Because not everything happens according to His will. There are two gods in the Holy Bible:
1. Existing and eternally alive: Life (Love = Jesus Christ).
2. Non-existent and eternally dead: Death (satan = hatred).
Why? The satan is called "god" by the Holy Bible: "For unbelievers whose minds have been blinded by the god of this world" 2 Cor. 4: 4.
 
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