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Black Texas Principal Suspended Over “Critical Race Theory”

Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Secret Chief said:
"Simply put, critical race theory states that U.S. social institutions (e.g. the criminal justice system, education system, labor market, housing market, and healthcare system) are laced with racism embedded in laws, regulations, rules, and procedures that lead to differential outcomes by race."

- Why are states banning critical race theory?


It looks akin to a term used in the UK: institutional racism.
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I was wondering what his understanding of it was. ;)
 
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Aštra’el

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
My father was a principal in Texas for many years, and he’s not white. He loved it, but it wasn’t perfect. Of all the issues he brought up about being a principal (he eventually gravitated towards coaching football instead), racism (much less “institutional racism”) was not among them.

So, it is a natural instinct that I be skeptical of this man’s testimony. If he is in the workplace regurgitating CRT or other radical left propaganda, trying to transform the environment around him to become more aligned with his views, then of course he may not be welcomed with open arms in most places in Texas. And I approve of that. If you are willing to integrate, to adapt and change for Texas and respect it’s people and culture, most will welcome you. If you are out here demanding that Texas change for you, well, you will not be nearly as welcome.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Lyndon said:
We have posters that claim racism is not a problem in the USA, what absolute rubbish!
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It is not a problem if one pretends it does not exist.

In that spirit I am going to pretend that cars do not exist when I walk across intersections. I will keep you up to date on how that works out.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Father Heathen said:
The article states he was accused of it, but it was likely hurled about just like "marxism" and "socialism", etc. tend to be. I.E. trigger terms used by those who have no grasp of their actual definitions.
Sound familiar?
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I tend to think such terms are interchangeable and universal among our fine political leaders.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Aštra’el said:
My father was a principal in Texas for many years, and he’s not white. He loved it, but it wasn’t perfect. Of all the issues he brought up about being a principal (he eventually gravitated towards coaching football instead), racism (much less “institutional racism”) was not among them.

So, it is a natural instinct that I be skeptical of this man’s testimony. If he is in the workplace regurgitating CRT or other radical left propaganda, trying to transform the environment around him to become more aligned with his views, then of course he may not be welcomed with open arms in most places in Texas. And I approve of that. If you are willing to integrate, to adapt and change for Texas and respect it’s people and culture, most will welcome you. If you are out here demanding that Texas change for you, well, you will not be nearly as welcome.
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Perhaps you should define what you mean by CRT. I think that there is quite a variation out there. Some merely want accurate history taught and they are accused of fostering CRT.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Twilight Hue said:
I tend to think such terms are interchangeable and universal among our fine political leaders.
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Could this perhaps be rooted in an unfamiliarity with socialism as a political ideology or historical movement, and being utterly ignorant of the actual content of Marxist writings? Or is there another reason for such a shockingly counterfactual take?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Kooky said:
Could this perhaps be rooted in an unfamiliarity with socialism as a political ideology or historical movement, and being utterly ignorant of the actual content of Marxist writings? Or is there another reason for such a shockingly counterfactual take?
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I see that you do not understand the Right definition of Marxist. If I don't like it it is Marxist. For example the EPA is Marxist (don't tell anyone that it was started by a Republican).
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Kooky said:
Could this perhaps be rooted in an unfamiliarity with socialism as a political ideology or historical movement, and being utterly ignorant of the actual content of Marxist writings? Or is there another reason for such a shockingly counterfactual take?
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Im sure your quite a renowned expert on the matter.

All the same as with the fascist tripe I suppose.

It's quite a common theme here, very noticeable and my poor ignorant disposition is terribly chronic, so I bow to your superior insights and revelations as not many can dispute your displayed elegance on this very sensitive topic with the same lens.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Subduction Zone said:
I see that you do not understand the Right definition of Marxist. If I don't like it it is Marxist. For example the EPA is Marxist (don't tell anyone that it was started by a Republican).
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Oh, I do understand it.

It's just that now and then, I arrive at these forums in an state of being sufficiently ticked off at the world/drunk to feel compelled to call people out on this braindead take on political terminology.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Twilight Hue said:
Im sure your quite a renowned expert on the matter.
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I do not consider myself an expert at all.

It is, however, useful to have at least a base line understanding of what one is talking about when engaging in such sweeping argumentation as you have done in this thread, and when one has in the past displayed such a shocking unfamiliarity with the subject of one's ire as you have. I am not talking about your anti-leftism here, mind you - it is fair to dislike political positions one considers opposite one's own stance after all; what I am talking about is that when you start talking about "socialism" or "Marxism", it is blatantly obvious to me that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Remember that I, too, read these forums, and have come across your posts, even when I have not commented on most of them. I've read enough of your posts to get the impression that your "knowledge" of socialism, if we can even call it that, is solely derived from soundbites you hear or read in your media of choice, and has little grounding in an understanding of the literature, theory, or history of the subject.

All the same as with the fascist tripe I suppose.
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I wrote (though, to be fair, never published, as I would burn out on, and become quite thoroughly fed up with, my education at that point) a paper on my country's pre-WW2 fascist press when I was still trying to become a history teacher, and have sampled material of both historical and present fascism - so yes, I do consider myself somewhat familiar with the history, rhetoric, and political methods of these political movements; I have also communicated with American right-wingers frequently enough to recognize a lame attempt at conflating fascism with left-wing politics when I see it.

In case you have an actual interest in broadening your horizon on these matters, you may want to lay off the De Sousa and start reading books on political theory that aren't written by scummy idiots desperately pandering to White conservative identity politics.

Heck, there are plenty of YT videos out there - as low of a standard I consider that, make no mistake - that manage to convey more well supported takes on this than whatever "Hilary is actually a Nazi" piece you may be familiar with.


It's quite a common theme here, very noticeable and my poor ignorant disposition is terribly chronic, so I bow to your superior insights and revelations as not many can dispute your displayed elegance on this very sensitive topic with the same lens.
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There is no need for this passive aggressive nonsense. I did not talk to you here to "win" an argument or make you look like a fool. The former does not concern me, and the latter is all on yourself.

Instead, I am imploring you to inform yourself on the subject matters you are talking about, in a way that reaches out to sources that are not part of your immediate circle of recognized spiritual and political authorities.

I managed to suffer through portions of Burke, Rand, and Huntington, because I genuinely wanted to read their take from the source, and while I have at no point considered adopting their ideas as my own, I do believe I came back with a better understanding of what they're about, even in my rejection of those ideas.

In light of this, I'm sure you could manage the same with Marx whom, if we disregard any of his political ideas, I would still consider a more skillful and entertaining writer than any of the three I mentioned above. You could, at the very least peruse the Communist Manifesto, which is about the length of your average short story and available for free on the web.

You should also read at least a few of the Wikipedia articles on socialism. They are not always as well sourced as I'd like, but they still have to be an improvement on what you've presented on the subject so far.
 
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Friend of Mara

Friend of Mara

Active Member
I think all of the people with sense that live in Texas should come to live in Florida. Let the crazy's have their anti-abortion laws and CRT boogymans. And then let whats left of the left leaning population come to Florida to sway the vote and stop them from following in Texas's footsteps.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Kooky said:
I do not consider myself an expert at all.

It is, however, useful to have at least a base line understanding of what one is talking about when engaging in such sweeping argumentation as you have done in this thread, and when one has in the past displayed such a shocking unfamiliarity with the subject of one's ire as you have. I am not talking about your anti-leftism here, mind you - it is fair to dislike political positions one considers opposite one's own stance after all; what I am talking about is that when you start talking about "socialism" or "Marxism", it is blatantly obvious to me that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Remember that I, too, read these forums, and have come across your posts, even when I have not commented on most of them. I've read enough of your posts to get the impression that your "knowledge" of socialism, if we can even call it that, is solely derived from soundbites you hear or read in your media of choice, and has little grounding in an understanding of the literature, theory, or history of the subject.


I wrote (though, to be fair, never published, as I would burn out on, and become quite thoroughly fed up with, my education at that point) a paper on my country's pre-WW2 fascist press when I was still trying to become a history teacher, and have sampled material of both historical and present fascism - so yes, I do consider myself somewhat familiar with the history, rhetoric, and political methods of these political movements; I have also communicated with American right-wingers frequently enough to recognize a lame attempt at conflating fascism with left-wing politics when I see it.

In case you have an actual interest in broadening your horizon on these matters, you may want to lay off the De Sousa and start reading books on political theory that aren't written by scummy idiots desperately pandering to White conservative identity politics.

Heck, there are plenty of YT videos out there - as low of a standard I consider that, make no mistake - that manage to convey more well supported takes on this than whatever "Hilary is actually a Nazi" piece you may be familiar with.



There is no need for this passive aggressive nonsense. I did not talk to you here to "win" an argument or make you look like a fool. The former does not concern me, and the latter is all on yourself.

Instead, I am imploring you to inform yourself on the subject matters you are talking about, in a way that reaches out to sources that are not part of your immediate circle of recognized spiritual and political authorities.

I managed to suffer through portions of Burke, Rand, and Huntington, because I genuinely wanted to read their take from the source, and while I have at no point considered adopting their ideas as my own, I do believe I came back with a better understanding of what they're about, even in my rejection of those ideas.

In light of this, I'm sure you could manage the same with Marx whom, if we disregard any of his political ideas, I would still consider a more skillful and entertaining writer than any of the three I mentioned above. You could, at the very least peruse the Communist Manifesto, which is about the length of your average short story and available for free on the web.

You should also read at least a few of the Wikipedia articles on socialism. They are not always as well sourced as I'd like, but they still have to be an improvement on what you've presented on the subject so far.
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While I appreciate the lengthy and from the heart response, none of it discounts the very real danger the left, as well as the right poses to this country. People's economic and personal freedoms of which I will defend earnestly are sadly dissappearing.

To summarize I really don't care about the specifics on socialism nor fascism, for that matter, Leave it for academia.

It's clear that behaviors so far parallel close enough so as the association is adquate to notice the playbooks being used.

The facts are that both the left and right isles have incorporated and adopted both socialism and fascism into American society, which so far has been determental to the point that the US has fallen significantly down the freedom index over the years. In the meantime , the extremes to the far left and the far right are widening further out each passing year.

We have open socialists in government, most notably Bernie Sanders and AOC, BLMs founders are admitted Marxists, there are also those elements of fascism to which the parallels associated with the left and some on the right are undeniable. Yes even Trump in aspects.

That's my position.
 
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