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Do Mystics Agree That God Exists?
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messianicmystic
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Of course, I can only speak for myself, but it seems, mystically-speaking that ultimately "God" is a term that stands for that which is undefineable. For example Ayn Sof, Brahman and Tao are all names for that which can't be named. I guess you could call them all meaningless words, in a way. If I had to connect "God" to another word, (thereby rendering it too meaningless), it would be "existence". So, what I mean by "God" is the same thing I mean by "exists". Therefore, arguing the "existence" of "God" is as meaningless to me as arguing whether or not a "painter" "paints".
soma
John Kuykendall
There is nothing between God and man except beliefs, but a belief is only an idea until it becomes an experience. That is why mystics use spiritual experience and first-hand knowledge of our mind and our soul. We can pay money for others to work for us and even to preach to us, but no one can live for us. We must live for ourselves and find peace and happiness through the conscious unity of our inner self and the outer layers of our mind. God works for us, if we allow Him to work through us, He will reveal Himself directly to us through the soul.
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My thoughts agree with Godlike and Seyorni, but I usually nitpick the word 'exists' when it comes to God. Existence usually is interpreted to apply to things in space and time that we can relate to with our five senses; things along side other things and for which the subject and object world view is applicable. 'Exists' implies within that existence but most of us think of God as the source prior to or above that existence and including it. Thus, I would agree that God is to avoid misinterpretation. (This is a nitpick because I know what you meant.)
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I think that one can be a mystic without a belief in god.
For example, if we consider a mystic as someone who seeks mystical experiences, and we consider a mystical experience to be a profoundly impacting event, then even an atheist can be a mystic.
I imagine that you, Sunstone, as a professed non-theist, have had mystical experiences and possibly seek them out. I could wrong, but it can be imagined.
So, no, I don't think that all mystics agree that god exists.
For example, if we consider a mystic as someone who seeks mystical experiences, and we consider a mystical experience to be a profoundly impacting event, then even an atheist can be a mystic.
I imagine that you, Sunstone, as a professed non-theist, have had mystical experiences and possibly seek them out. I could wrong, but it can be imagined.
So, no, I don't think that all mystics agree that god exists.
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
I think that all mystics agree. I don't think they would all call that agreement God. That word means too many different things to different people. And I'm not even sure they'd agree on the "exist" part. Tao and Ein Sof and Brahman and "God" are the basis for what we know as existence; to say that Tao and Ein Sof and Brahman and "God" exist would thus be misleading as it would suggest that they are qualitatively the same as the things that they make possible.Sunstone said:
Greetings Lilithu. I like your post; so what else is new?lilithu said:
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Only the hand that erases can write the true thing. - Meister Eckhart
Hahaha.
Rolling_Stone
Well-Known Member
If God as he is within himself is beyond concept and conventional knowing, how can the answer be either “yes” or “no”? Such a God cannot be viewed theistically, atheistically, pantheistically, or acosmistically (as all that is, denying the reality of the material would).
Scarlett Wampus
psychonaut
There are god concepts and there are god concepts. :areyoucra
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
Mystics are one who have become part of the whole. They are no more *I* and so how can a part see the rest seperately.
God as a label is diffcult to be placed within any limitataions as it includes the person who talks about it. If the part exists then surely the whole exists. No mystery here.
Existence itself is god then why the doubt?
There is nothing that does not exists. If there is any such thing then one cannot interpret it.
Love & rgds
Mystics are one who have become part of the whole. They are no more *I* and so how can a part see the rest seperately.
God as a label is diffcult to be placed within any limitataions as it includes the person who talks about it. If the part exists then surely the whole exists. No mystery here.
Existence itself is god then why the doubt?
There is nothing that does not exists. If there is any such thing then one cannot interpret it.
Love & rgds