Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

Friend of Mara · Sep 1, 2021

InChrist said:
Are you insinuating that Africans and many thousands upon thousands of people of color in other nations who have been helped by ivermectin are ... livestock?

I assume your first language isn't English so I will assume you misread. To answer you obviously not. Its primary use is as a livestock anti-parasitic drug.

It is an FDA approved drug for humans...and it used to be readily available in pill form for human use.
Why aren’t they prescribing it now?
I would say because it’s an inexpensive, generic drug in contrast to the millions and millions to be made on vaccines, especially by Bill Gates who is heavily invested in Pfizer and other vaccine producers, as well as being the primary funder the WHO (4.1 billion dollars) and UK health agencies and the FDA in the US. Conflict of interest is a reality.

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Gates' charity shifts policy

“Billions of humans around the world have taken ivermectin (approved by the FDA and considered an "essential medicine" by the World Health Organization) under mass distribution programs to eradicate onchocerciasis (river blindness) and other tropical diseases. Ivermectin has also been shown to inhibit a broad range of viruses in laboratory studies, including HIV, influenza, West Nile virus and other RNA viruses. In 2018, more than 130,000 patients in the U.S. were prescribed the drug. It is a human drug, no matter how many times the mad cows in the media try to fear-monger you into believing otherwise.“

“-A systematic review of ivermectin's antiviral effects published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature found that it "could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses."

“- A study in the peer-reviewed journal Chest found statistically significant lower mortality rates among hospitalized COVID-19 patients prescribed ivermectin (along with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both), compared with patients without ivermectin in Broward County, Fla.

You can find more related studies on ivermectin and COVID-19 in PubMed, the federal scientific database, and weigh all the costs and benefits for you and your families. Remember: "Misinformation" simply means information that the powers that be want you to miss.“
Michelle Malkin: Ivermectin: Horse Hockey Versus Truth

So conspiracy with no evidence? Are there any studies showing it is effective for covid? Earlier in this thread there was several links to the studies conducted on its efficacy in the pandemic and all of it turned up neutral at best and harmful at worst.

oldbadger · Sep 2, 2021

KenS said:
I'm not getting it because I am naturally vaccinated.

That'll be how you got it.

oldbadger · Sep 2, 2021

KenS said:
" because the vaccines don’t prevent infection and transmission"

True, but they reduce hospital admissions and reduce deaths.

ElishaElijah · Sep 2, 2021

oldbadger said:
True, but they reduce hospital admissions and reduce deaths.

Not really, I don’t believe the records are accurate in the US.

ElishaElijah · Sep 2, 2021

I. Antiviral Agents:
These must be started quickly at STAGE I (Days 1-5):
Symptoms include sore throat, nasal stuffiness, fatigue, headaches, body aches, loss of taste and/or smell, loss of appetite, nausea, diarrhea, fever.
These medicines stop the virus from (1) entering the cells and (2) from multiplying once inside the cells, and they reduce bacterial invasion in the sinuses and lung:
 *Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) with azithromycin (AZM) or doxycycline OR
 Ivermectin with azithromycin (AZM) or doxycycline
Either combination above must also include zinc sulfate or gluconate, plus supplemental vitamin D,
and vitamin C. Some doctors also recommend adding a B complex vitamin.
Zinc is critical. It helps block the virus from multiplying. Hydroxychloroquine is the carrier taking zinc INTO the cells to do its job.
An educational resource from The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPSonline.org) 16

If you’re only testing Ivermectin or Hydroxychloriquine WITHOUT zinc and the other vitamins then they don’t work because they are just the carriers of the zinc and vitamins to the cells.

SkepticThinker · Sep 2, 2021

InChrist said:
Are you insinuating that Africans and many thousands upon thousands of people of color in other nations who have been helped by ivermectin are ... livestock?

It is an FDA approved drug for humans...and it used to be readily available in pill form for human use.
Why aren’t they prescribing it now?
I would say because it’s an inexpensive, generic drug in contrast to the millions and millions to be made on vaccines, especially by Bill Gates who is heavily invested in Pfizer and other vaccine producers, as well as being the primary funder the WHO (4.1 billion dollars) and UK health agencies and the FDA in the US. Conflict of interest is a reality.

4 Coronavirus Vaccine Stocks the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Is Betting On

Gates' charity shifts policy

“Billions of humans around the world have taken ivermectin (approved by the FDA and considered an "essential medicine" by the World Health Organization) under mass distribution programs to eradicate onchocerciasis (river blindness) and other tropical diseases. Ivermectin has also been shown to inhibit a broad range of viruses in laboratory studies, including HIV, influenza, West Nile virus and other RNA viruses. In 2018, more than 130,000 patients in the U.S. were prescribed the drug. It is a human drug, no matter how many times the mad cows in the media try to fear-monger you into believing otherwise.“

“-A systematic review of ivermectin's antiviral effects published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature found that it "could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses."

“- A study in the peer-reviewed journal Chest found statistically significant lower mortality rates among hospitalized COVID-19 patients prescribed ivermectin (along with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both), compared with patients without ivermectin in Broward County, Fla.

You can find more related studies on ivermectin and COVID-19 in PubMed, the federal scientific database, and weigh all the costs and benefits for you and your families. Remember: "Misinformation" simply means information that the powers that be want you to miss.“
Michelle Malkin: Ivermectin: Horse Hockey Versus Truth

They're not prescribing it because it doesn't appear to work against COVID. That's just according to studies that have been carried out though ..

Flawed ivermectin preprint highlights challenges of COVID drug studies
Effect of Ivermectin on Time to Resolution of Symptoms Among Adults With Mild COVID-19
Ivermectin to prevent hospitalizations in patients with COVID-19 (IVERCOR-COVID19) a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial | BMC Infectious Diseases | Full Text
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/c/portal/license

I have no idea why you're quoting Michelle Malkin, given that she doesn't come anywhere close to being a doctor, epidemiologist, virologist, etc.

Unveiled Artist · Sep 2, 2021

KenS said:
I'm not getting it because I am naturally vaccinated.

Now that vaxed can be infected would it be safe to say those infected could be reinfected?

It would be odd that to prevent further infection one needs to have the virus first. Somewhat counterproductive.

SkepticThinker · Sep 2, 2021

Unveiled Artist said:
You asked this and I said I can't remember the site. The one I posted was about ten years for breast cancer but I assume each is just about the same.

I don't know what breast cancer has to do with long-term effects of vaccines and this "10 year" claim I keep seeing. :shrug:

Especially when I've pointed out several times now that researchers already know that long-term side effects from vaccines show up within 8 weeks after administration, rather than ten years later.

SkepticThinker · Sep 2, 2021

ElishaElijah said:
View attachment 54511Not really, I don’t believe the records are accurate in the US.

Now give us one that shows hospitalizations and deaths, which was what the post you were responding to was referring to.

metis · Sep 2, 2021

Ivermectin has its uses that can be helpful even on humans, but the talking heads on Fox didn't point that out, thus many people have had to go to the e.r. I listened to those "heads" on Fox, and what they said was simply dangerously reckless.

We saw much the same with Trump's hydroxychloroquine and bleach endorsement that his staff had to come back later and say that he was just joking. He clearly wasn't.

Unveiled Artist · Sep 2, 2021

ecco said:
Sure. Skip the details.

The difference between ignorance and knowledge is in the details. Details like getting information from reliable websites instead of blogs and OAN.

Sorry if you feel my pointing out nonsense is being uncivil.

I did address the points you made. I pointed out that a treatment from a neurologist was not comparable to getting a vaccine.

Perhaps the problem is in the validity of the points you are trying to make. If the points are not valid, there can be no reasonable discussion.

If you want me to read and react to your posts you have to address the points in a more civil way. I don't read them otherwise.

Kenny · Sep 2, 2021

oldbadger said:
True, but they reduce hospital admissions and reduce deaths.

As does natural vaccinations.

metis · Sep 2, 2021

KenS said:
As does natural vaccinations.

But they only last so long, and I don't recommend trying to get a "booster" "naturally"

.

The irony is that some recent research has it that you are in a better position for protection than those of us just with the vaccines and that's because your body can better recognize the virus versus if you only had the vaccines, and then supplement that with the vaccines to give you wider protection that then can be updated to better reflect variants.

You know, evolution in motion.

ecco · Sep 2, 2021

Unveiled Artist said:
It's a habit you have with multiple posters who challenge your opinions with their own. To be called out on it makes it worse.

You have not challenged my comments.
I challenged your biased, unsupported opinions with facts.

You don't like it when people point out your biased opinions. In my case, you call it being sarcastic. Oh, well.

Kenny · Sep 2, 2021

Unveiled Artist said:
Now that vaxed can be infected would it be safe to say those infected could be reinfected?

Yes, it is common knowledge that both vaccinated as well as those who have had Covid, both can get the virus again. I would assume, like the flu, you can always get it again.

There are conflicting reports as to what is better. (I don't think anyone really know, but I would tend to lean towards natural has a better immunity than vaccination)

Better would be supported by the Israeli Health Dept. Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Vaccination would be supported by the CDC Coronavirus Disease 2019

Unveiled Artist said:
It would be odd that to prevent further infection one needs to have the virus first. Somewhat counterproductive.

Yes... if we were to synthesize it to just those points, it would be counterproductive. But it rarely is relegated to those specific points, IMO.

What I wonder is, why isn't there more emphasis on how to get people well if they have contracted it? Like, if I feel a cold coming on, I add Vitamin C, D and Zinc, gargle with salt water or a mouth wash and I don't get the impact of the impending cold, if I get it at all.

What if, "I just got a Covid positive test and these are the things that counteract the Covid so that it is minimized and prevents death" in addition to vaccination and/or in lieu of vaccination?

ecco · Sep 2, 2021

ElishaElijah said:
I. Antiviral Agents:
These must be started quickly at STAGE I (Days 1-5):

Are you under the mistaken impression that symptoms show up immediately on day 1 or 2?

How can you start your course of treatment if you don't know you are infected.

In any case, what is the source for your allegation?

ElishaElijah said:
These medicines stop the virus from (1) entering the cells and (2) from multiplying once inside the cells, and they reduce bacterial invasion in the sinuses and lung:

If you are touting these as means of stopping the virus from entering the cells, then you must be taking them every day on the chance that you will get infected. Is that what you are doing or suggesting other people do?

What does bacterial invasion have to do with covid? You do know the difference between and virus and a bacteria, don't you?

ElishaElijah said:
If you’re only testing Ivermectin or Hydroxychloriquine WITHOUT zinc and the other vitamins then they don’t work because they are just the carriers of the zinc and vitamins to the cells.

Are you getting this "medical" advice from a company selling Ivermectin, Hydroxychloriquine, vitamins, and zinc?

Please tell us your source of this information.

Kenny · Sep 2, 2021

metis said:
But they only last so long, and I don't recommend trying to get a "booster" "naturally".

The irony is that some recent research has it that you are in a better position for protection than those of us just with the vaccines and that's because your body can better recognize the virus versus if you only had the vaccines, and then supplement that with the vaccines to give you wider protection that then can be updated to better reflect variants.

You know, evolution in motion.

I just noted that which is better has conflicting reports depending on who you look up ie (US vs Israel).

But, talking about booster, two questions:

Which vaccination has required a booster in 8 months?
Do we even really know if the "booster" works and for how long? (obviously not enough time has passed to know that answer
Since people who have vaccines can still get Covid, is that a "booster" "naturally" anyways?

(I'm not saying don't get a booster or don't get a vaccine) for the record.

ecco · Sep 2, 2021

Unveiled Artist said:
If you want me to read and react to your posts you have to address the points in a more civil way. I don't read them otherwise.

You can do whatever you want to do.

However,
I did address the points you made. I pointed out that a treatment from a neurologist was not comparable to getting a vaccine.

That being the case, why did you post such an analogy?

Perhaps the problem is in the validity of the points you are trying to make. If the points are not valid, there can be no reasonable discussion.

If you don't want people with opposing ideas to comment on your posts, you could probably limit yourself to Facebook posts and disallow any dissenters.

If you want to spread your unscientific opinions on RF then I and others will call you out.

oldbadger · Sep 2, 2021

ElishaElijah said:
Not really, I don’t believe the records are accurate in the US.

So have a look at the UK. Although Covid is raging here, hospital admissions and deaths are way down , we don't have to wear masks in shops now and restaurants are open. Why? Because most of us are vaccinated now.

ecco · Sep 2, 2021

KenS said:
Better would be supported by the Israeli Health Dept. Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Link does not work for me.

Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

Will you get the vaccine now?

Yes. I got it before the FDA approval

Yes. Now that the FDA has approved it I will. But not before

No. I don't think the FDA approval is legitimate.

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