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Time to impeach this inept bumbling president called Biden. It's on the table now.

Suave

Suave

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Twilight Hue said:
Wait till the mid terms. It will be my turn to laugh.

In the meantime watch what happens to the people Biden left behind as he kowtows to the Taliban.


Maybe Biden could hire Jimmy Carter to negotiate a release of Americans out of the middle east. ...
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Didn't Reagan's Iran-Contra deal help release hostages out of Iran? Didn't the Taliban already get U.S. weapons during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? I'd like there to be no double standard: Reagan didn't get impeached for kowtowing to either the Taliban or the Ayatollah, nor should Biden.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Suave said:
Didn't the Taliban already get U.S. weapons during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?
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Well...no...

The Taliban was formed during and in the aftermath of the Afghan Civil War. And that followed Soviet withdrawal.

Of course, some of the same people were involved in all three phases, but closest you could go is to say Pashtun tribesmen were armed by the US.

Or Al-Qaeda, if you want to go in that direction.
 
sun rise

sun rise

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SomeRandom said:
Umm in spite of my instincts, out of curiosity, the Republicans being considered “traitors” in your eyes wouldn’t have anything to do with the now infamous January 6th events, would it?
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There are two parts of January 6th. First is the perfectly legal demonstrations that occurred. The second was the storming of Congress which involved criminal acts of one sort or another.

It's fair to separate the two.

What really got me going was this

(Congressman) Madison Cawthorn Is Openly Talking About Civil War at This Point

Of course he's weasel-wording it (for now) in a way that would allow a defense against treason etc, but the line to me is very very thin and enough to me to be telling the right to start shooting if they don't win.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
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Suave said:
Didn't Reagan's Iran-Contra deal help release hostages out of Iran? Didn't the Taliban already get U.S. weapons during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? I'd like there to be no double standard: Reagan didn't get impeached for kowtowing to either the Taliban or the Ayatollah, nor should Biden.
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Yes, we supported the Taliban because they wanted to kick the USSR out.

We should learn about who we should support and what the consequences typically are if we back such people.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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SomeRandom said:
New What is with the US and constantly impeaching presidents these days?
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This country has gone to rack and ruin. :( I was hopeful that Bide would be an improvement but not anymore.

I was considering Australia or New Zealand for retirement and I am still considering it. I'd head to Central or South America but I don't speak Spanish anymore.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Revoltingest said:
I'm more concerned when the left & right get together
to start needless wars. This is why we were in Afghanistan.
BTW, I given Biden credit for using "were" instead of "are".
He was among those who got us in, but he gets credit for
getting us out. But what new debacles await us?
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I would say that's only partly correct. Yes, the left and right get together, but they've engineered a foreign policy based on paranoia and skewed perceptions of the outside world. I don't know that they consciously intend to start wars, but it's clear that their foreign policy and national security aspirations create situations which bring us to war.

The reason we were in Afghanistan was because Americans were told that Bin Laden was in Afghanistan and that he was the mastermind behind the 9/11 bombings. Americans were still in shock and heavily gripped by war fever, so it didn't take much convincing to get them to go along with it. I think there's enough blame to go around over the fact that we went there in the first place.

Was it a valid casus belli to invade Afghanistan because their government was allegedly sheltering Bin Laden? Was the government even truthful about that?
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Suave said:
Didn't Reagan's Iran-Contra deal help release hostages out of Iran? Didn't the Taliban already get U.S. weapons during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? I'd like there to be no double standard: Reagan didn't get impeached for kowtowing to either the Taliban or the Ayatollah, nor should Biden.
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I agree that Biden should not be impeached (nor is there really any serious possibility of that happening).

Reagan's dealings with Iran were questionable. There were allegations that the Reagan campaign in 1980 made a deal with the Iranian terrorists to keep the Americans in the embassy hostage until after Carter was out of office. Then there was Iran-Contra, where the US agreed to sell arms to the Iranians in exchange for several Westerners held hostage in Lebanon, with the proceeds from those arms sales being used to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. But at the same time, Reagan was sending arms to Iraq, which was at war with Iran. So, I guess you could say he was selling arms to both sides in that war.

Some people thought Reagan should have been impeached (I was one of them), but they didn't really have anything on him personally (and his popularity was still immensely high, so impeachment was a non-starter). A lot of attention was given to Lt. Col. Oliver North, who has since become a kind of icon and hero in the eyes of many on the right. Those hearings before Congress made him a celebrity.

Reagan and Bush also helped the Afghan rebels during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, although back then, they were called the Mujahedeen. I don't think the Taliban really existed until after the Soviets withdrew and the pro-Soviet government was overthrown. But his and many other administrations had a terrible habit of giving arms to any crackpot faction or tinpot dictator who claimed to be against communism and the USSR. Reagan had an obsession with communism. I wouldn't say he kowtowed to anyone, but he and many others of the anti-communist clique made some serious blunders and monumental errors in judgment which we're still paying for today.
 
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Alex22

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Twilight Hue said:
Wait till the mid terms. It will be my turn to laugh.

In the meantime watch what happens to the people Biden left behind as he kowtows to the Taliban.


Maybe Biden could hire Jimmy Carter to negotiate a release of Americans out of the middle east. ...
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Why couldn't your all mighty military defeat the Taliban after 20 years of occupation. Were they sitting on their asses the whole time?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

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Father Heathen said:
It's not what was done that's at issue but rather how it was done. Surely we could've had a more orderly and less tragic conclusion.
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Many say that. But no one offers analysis that
some other approach would turn out better.
What's your plan?
 
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