ecco
Veteran Member
By eating an apple.
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Answering Atheists
- Thread starter nPeace
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ecco
Veteran Member
So, your comment about giving atheists a reality check -reprinted above-
is by your own admission, meaningless.
On the other hand, the best reality check I can give you is to simply tell you that you can't prove Thor doesn't exist.
You can't.
Does that mean you accept Thor as a real god?
And while we're at it the best reality check I can give you is to simply tell you that you can't prove your God exists.
You can't.
So, based on that, your God and Thor are equally probable. Ditto, Shiva, Shango, Allah.
Bethel
Member
If the world exists, then God exists, as He created it.
Its really comes down to one thing, ecco.
Did Jesus rise from the Dead?
500 saw Him, and then you have all the Apostles, and you have Christianity, 2000 yrs later, and after you and i are gone.
And before you say...>"well, its just one more religion", i can show you why its not.
Christianity, is God offering you a way to become his family.
Religion can't do that for you, including Islam.
ecco
Veteran Member
When you say "God" you mean your god. Your beliefs are no different than any other religious person's beliefs. You all believe your god didit. You sure can't all be right. But you sure can all be wrong.
You need to show credible evidence that your Jesus really existed. Outside of the Bible stories, there is no such evidence.
You need to show who wrote the gospels and how the so carefully recorded so many of Jesus' words and deeds. You cannot.
You say you can, but you cannot. Muslims and Hindus and Bahais and Mormons also all say the same thing, but they cannot.
How many Muslims or Hindus have you converted?
Gods (all gods) are the creations of man's imaginings. Period.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
The Bible and God are two very different things. The Bible was written by mankind. It reflects mankind more than anything else. The Bible is mankind's belief of what God should be. In reality, they do not have a clue.
Adam and Eve is no more than a story. Does it really add up? Do you even question it?? Do you question the Bible? Does it really add up??
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
Bird123
Well-Known Member
Apples are a Gift from God. They are meant to be eaten. Haven't you ever heard the old saying? An Apple a day keeps the Doctor away.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
nPeace
Veteran Member
I have been questioning the Bible now for the past 30 years, and it has always given me answers that I cannot refute in the light of facts.
Yes it was writen by men, but contains things that men could not know without supernatural guidance... unless aliens from another world came here and told man these things.
There is so much the Bible contains that proves the truthfulness of 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 and 2 Peter 1:2.
It proves to be the word of God.
lukethethird
unknown member
Don't bother explaining, whether god exists or not makes no difference to anything.
Bethel
Member
I would answer you again , but as you didn't comprehend the previous answer, i think i wont waste my time.
surely you understand.
thx,
-B
Bethel
Member
What you mean't to say, is...."this stuff makes no difference to you".
Yes.
I believe you.
ecco
Veteran Member
Music left behind? What did Jesus leave behind? Do we have a copy of the Sermon on the Mount in his handwriting? No? Aw. I guess your analogy fails.
Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.
Eyewitness accounts? None.
Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.
Bird123
Well-Known Member
When it values so many of the petty things mankind holds so dear such as Ruling, Controlling,Judging, Condemning, Hating, Punishing, Intimidating, Coercing, Pay back, Favorites,We and They and so on, it proves that it does not come from God.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
lukethethird
unknown member
I stated what I meant to state and that is that the existence or non-existence of God makes no difference whatsoever to anything that matters, nor to anyone.
nPeace
Veteran Member
So how do you explain how men knew scientific facts, which have only recently been discovered? How do you explain very specific things known well in advance of their occurring? All wild guesses, I suppose, you will say.
What's your explanation for the coherent harmonious thread running through all these books spanning nearly 2000 years of writing? A well concocted plan, by what... wizards?
ecco
Veteran Member
Please name one. Perhaps you mean the scientific fact that goat spots are governed by the type of wood in the rails.
Name one "very specific things known well in advance of their occurring"
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What "coherent harmonious thread"?
Bird123
Well-Known Member
There are many people with vision. Look at the sci-fi shows of today. How much of that will be reality in the future? If they really understood they would have had the technology back then.
Has the Bible really never been changed. When King James was coming up with his version, there were more different copies than you could imagine. King James was a King. The witch hunt to get rid of all the copies had much force behind it. Which won ?
You can't use external smoke and mirror things to understand. You must see what actually is in order to determine what it is. The Bible does have some Great things in it such as Loving. On the other hand, It reflects mankind when it values and teaches those petty things mankind holds so dear. What are they teaching in the name of goodness? It certainly isn't goodness.
That is what I see. It's very clear!!
And similar to a religious person, simply tell them that they can't prove God exists.
They can't.
However there is considerable evidence to contradict bible and the faithfuls claims of the abrahamic gods "attribibutes".
Luke is one of those 4 gospels, correct?
Well, here's what Luke has to say:
Luke
Introduction
1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
In other words, Luke himself was not an eyewitness. He says so himself.
Let me know if you have anything else to offer... thats just as invalid.
Thx.