An irrefutable proof that Jesus is God

Teritos said:

Christianity isn't an "abrahamic religion".

We believe another Abraham, not the same like Judaism or Islam.

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That's so adorable.

Bethel said:

There are no inconsistencies within Christianity.
There are only those who ..

A.) Dont understand it
B.) Dont understand it.

So, when you are looking at something, and the looker is outside the gate, then all they can do is pretend they know, what they can't possibly know.

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There are plenty of inconsistencies within Christianity.
There are only those who:
A) Willfully ignore the inconsistencies
B) Are too ignorant to see the inconsistencies.

Teritos said:

Also an irrefutable proof.

He was in the world, and the world was created through him, and yet the world did not recognize him.

The world was created through him, because he is God.

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Irrefutable? What does it mean to do something through someone?
Answer :
John 1:3, 17. 18 ; John 3:17 ; John 14:6) ;1 Corinthians 8:6 ; Colossians 1:16 ; Hebrews 1:2 ;

Thoroughly refuted.

Teritos said:

I believe and say that Revelation 2:23 is an irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

Look carefully, Jesus says that he is He who knows the inner man and will judge man.
But there is only one who knows the inner man and will be the judge in the end, and that is God.
Conclusion: Jesus is God.

Let us now look at Jeremiah 17:10.
I am Yahweh who search the heart, I test the mind, to give to each person according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.
In the OT, God speaks that He is YHWH who knows the inner man and will be the judge.
Jesus says that He is He who...
God in the OT says that He is YHWH who...
Conclusion: Jesus is YHWH.

When Jesus said that He is He, He meant that He is YHWH.
In the Hebrew language, the letter Yod is a prefix and means "He". With HWH at the end, YHWH means HE IS.

When Jesus once said that He is He, hundreds of people drew back and fell to the ground before him because they knew what He meant.

Now then, when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground. John 18:6

Read the Bible, often the Scripture says things like: and Jesus knew what was in their hearts or and Jesus knew their thoughts.
He is truly the creator of all things.

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You have clearly confused unverifiable claims with proof. They are not the same.

QuestioningMind said:

There are plenty of inconsistencies within Christianity.
There are only those who:
A) Willfully ignore the inconsistencies
B) Are too ignorant to see the inconsistencies.

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If a Christ rejector, or opponent of Christianity isn't trying to deny the bible and Christ Himself by insinuation and false castigation, then they are not doing their job, are they.

Bethel said:

Muhammed is not the Son of God.....so, that's an issue.

Also, If you read Colossians 1:16, then John 1:10 becomes a reality.

If you then read John 1....That says that Jesus is the "Word"...
Note then, that God SAID......"let there be"...and creation began.

So, you have God speaking, and Jesus is the WORD.... which explains Colossians 1:16 and John 1:10

Now go to 1 Timothy 3:16, and read that GOD was manifested (born) in the FLESH"..

This is John 1:10, explained once again.

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I'll like to ask... Is Jesus Christ the son of God? A yes or no answer would be all that's required.
Since he is, he cannot be God. It's quite simple, isn't it.

QuestioningMind said:

There are plenty of inconsistencies within Christianity.
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Post a "Christian inconsistency", that isn't your opinion.
I'l be happy to address it so that you can see what you should see, vs, what you think you know that isn't correct.

Shadow Wolf said:

That's the same thing others do to make their religious text consistent.

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I've made the thread here: The 6 days. | Religious Forums

nPeace said:

I'll like to ask... Is Jesus Christ the son of God? A yes or no answer would be all that's required.
Since he is, he cannot be God. It's quite simple, isn't it.

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Jesus is also the 2nd Adam, yet, Adam was the first....and you have no idea what this means, exactly the same as you are confused regarding Genesis 1 when God said..>"let us make man in OUR Image"....and He's referring to Himself, and The Word of God, who is the pre-incarnate Christ.

Thomas the Apostle, (one of the 12), when seeing Jesus, after Jesus rose from the Dead, kneeled before The Christ and said this..."my Lord and my GOD".....
Jesus didn't correct Him.

Paul teaches that Jesus is """""God manifested in the Flesh""
Jesus said...>"you believe in God, believe also in me".
Jesus said..>"if you've seen me, you've seen the Father".

Teritos said:

I believe and say that Revelation 2:23 is an irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

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Paul says Jesus isn't God.

The Jesus of Mark says he isn't God.

The Jesus of Matthew says he isn't God.

The Jesus of Luke says he isn't God.

The Jesus of John says he isn't God.

And none of them ever claims otherwise.

So your theory is that Jesus' entire ministry was based on a great big lie, I take it?

Teritos said:

I have the Holy Spirit, so I am right. Everyone who has the same spirit will confirm me.
Only Christians will see that my post is the truth, all others not. It has all to do which spirit someone has.

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Jesus - full of holy spirit, did not say, "I have the Holy Spirit in me".
He demonstrated it.
What may I ask, do you have to show, that you have holy spirit?

A Christian is a follower of Christ, and there a number of them here, who identify as such, who don't agree that your posts convey what's taught in the Bible,
That would mean. evidently, they are not included in the Christians you identify with.

Would that be because they are Christians, and "Christians". One being apostate?

@Teritos , I also believe that Jesus is God. I think that looking into outside the Bible sources can help present a case for Jesus’ divinity.

For example,
What did historians of antiquity write about Jesus? Do any mention stories of miracles? What did the opponents of Jesus say about Jesus? What sources both from Scripture and outside Scripture show how the apostles were willing to die for their faith in Christ and faith in his resurrection?

Looking into this may help build a case for faith in Jesus. Faith is still necessary. Since we were not there, it is a faith without seeing Jesus in person.

blü 2 said:

Paul says Jesus isn't God.

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What you said is not true.

Paul actually teaches that "GOD is born in the FLESH".....and that would Jesus.

One of the names of Christ Jesus, is "Emmanuel", and that literally means...."God with Us"

Bethel said:

There are no inconsistencies within Christianity.
There are only those who ..

A.) Dont understand it
B.) Dont understand it.

So, when you are looking at something, and the looker is outside the gate, then all they can do is pretend they know, what they can't possibly know.

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From my experience conversing with Jews, this is what they usually imply about Christians.

IDK, about early Christians, maybe they were Jews who were following a person they believed was the Messiah. But by the time Rome took over and decided on Christian essential theology they were the one's pretending to know, what they couldn't possibly know. The one's who might have known, if such a thing is possible 300-400 years later, were either killed or run off.

Bethel said:

Jesus is also the 2nd Adam, yet, Adam was the first....and you have no idea what this means, exactly the same as you are confused regarding Genesis 1 when God said..>"let us make man in OUR Image"....and He's referring to Himself, and The Word of God, who is the pre-incarnate Christ.

Thomas the Apostle, (one of the 12), when seeing Jesus, after Jesus rose from the Dead, kneeled before The Christ and said this..."my Lord and my GOD".....
Jesus didn't correct Him.

Paul teaches that Jesus is """""God manifested in the Flesh""
Jesus said...>"you believe in God, believe also in me".
Jesus said..>"if you've seen me, you've seen the Father".

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Wow. That's a long "Yes".
Imagine a child asked you that question. A simple question, requiring a simple answer.
Is it any wonder the young ones leave in herds.

Faulty reasoning is irrelevant "Bethel?"
Either Jesus is God's son, or he is not. Yes or no. No need for the pushups.

Bethel said:

No disrespect intended, but Christ was virgin born, and was in Heaven with God His Father before he was sent here.

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Born of a virgin on earth. Begotten by the father, in heaven. Thus he began to exist. Refuting the claim in the OP.

Teritos said:

I believe and say that Revelation 2:23 is an irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

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When I studied engineering one teacher taught us about the "bootstrap technique"; one process starts up another
He also explained "you can not pull yourself up, by pulling your own boots"
Using the Bible to prove the Bible, is similar to that

This irrefutable disproves your "irrefutable proof"

Nakosis said:

From my experience conversing with Jews, this is what they usually imply about Christians.

IDK, about early Christians, maybe they were Jews who were following a person they believed was the Messiah. But by the time Rome took over and decided on Christian essential theology they were the one's pretending to know,f.

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I sometimes live in Israel, my home is there...

Here is what a religious jew, is up against.
Religious Jews believe....BELIEVE, they are MARRIED to the Law of Moses.

So, for a religious Jew, a devout practitioner of Judaism......they BELIEVE that for them to trust in Jesus as their MESSIAH, is to betray their HUSBAND the LAW, and so, for them, this is "Adultery'.

Bethel said:

What you said is not true.

Paul actually teaches that "GOD is born in the FLESH".....and that would Jesus.

One of the names of Christ Jesus, is "Emmanuel", and that literally means...."God with Us"

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Millions believe God is with us. Yet Jesus is not here. Holy Spirit does not mean God With Us, Yet God is with us. You don't doubt that, do you?

nPeace said:

Born of a virgin on earth. Begotten by the father, in heaven. Thus he began to exist. Refuting the claim in the OP.

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This is his BODY ........His BODY.........>Jesus's BODY, was born.
His SPIRIT, was always.. in existence with God.
So, you have the Pre-incarnate WORD, that is "Spirit", who came to live in a BODY, virgin born, and this Body is the man, Jesus.

Here is the disconnect between what Christians understand about "soul, spirit, and body", that is not known by the majority of unbelievers.
Its this..
You...the REAL you......is NOT your body.
Your BODY, is your house.. Its the container for the Spirit.....Your body will die, but the real you, the SPIRIT, that is the life of the Body, will never die.

Have you ever seen anyone die?
If you did, and their eyes were open, then you saw something that happens everytime a body dies.
Its this...there is a LIGHT in their EYES, that gets BRIGHTER, and then it dims, and they are GONE from their body.

So, unbelievers get lost in Jesus the man, who was in Heaven before He became the man with the Body.....virgin born on earth.
Get past that, and then the understanding of Who Jesus is, before He was in a body down here, becomes a revelation to you.

ok then....Ive had a long day, am up since 2am, and its late now, so, tomorrow i'll post a Thread for you, that discusses in more detail what im showing you here.

enjoyed the conversation with everyone...


-B