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The Inevitable Problems of Forced Vaccinations

Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Trailblazer said:
However,all the political prejudice against republicans blinds people's judgment.
Baha'is are supposed to be nonpolitical, but I guess some people can't stay away from politics. Lewis is like that too.
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You don't know what the particular governor of Texas is like. He only wants to become president it appears by appealing to Trump supporters. He is not to be trusted. The most draconian voter suppression laws have been enacted under him in Texas.

We are to vote for people based on their character, and the character of Governor Abbot is bad.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Truthseeker9 said:
You don't know what the particular governor of Texas is like. He only wants to become president it appears by appealing to Trump supporters. He is not to be trusted. The most draconian voter suppression laws have been enacted under him in Texas.

We are to vote for people based on their character, and the character of Governor Abbot is bad.
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I was not talking about the governor of Texas.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Trailblazer said:
I was not talking about the governor of Texas.
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What I was getting at is that that is why I don't trust some doctor testifying in that governors state with his cronies supporting him in the legislature. He's also just one doctor, for heaven's sake. One doctor possibly supporting some corrupt politician's agenda, against a multitude of doctors.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Truthseeker9 said:
What I was getting at is that that is why I don't trust some doctor testifying in that governors state with his cronies supporting him in the legislature. He's also just one doctor, for heaven's sake. One doctor possibly supporting some corrupt politician's agenda, against a multitude of doctors.
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It is possible that it is just one doctor possibly supporting some corrupt politician's agenda, against a multitude of doctors, but it is also possible that the doctor has something useful to say that is supporting no political agenda. It is possible that he is a doctor who cares about people and saving their lives. I try not to judge people, especially because I cannot know their motives, but also because Jesus and Baha'u'llah said not to judge.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Trailblazer said:
It is possible that it is just one doctor possibly supporting some corrupt politician's agenda, against a multitude of doctors, but it is also possible that the doctor has something useful to say that is supporting no political agenda. It is possible that he is a doctor who cares about people and saving their lives. I try not to judge people, especially because I cannot know their motives, but also because Jesus and Baha'u'llah said not to judge.
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I can't be sure about the motives of the doctor. Who really knows? I don't know what he said, so I know less than you do. I don't know what he was going to talk about even. Sorry if I hurt your feelings in all this. I should have kept my mouth shut.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
KenS said:
Massive Nurse Shortage Hits Houston—Weeks After 150 Unvaccinated Nurses and Hospital Workers Fired | Jon Miltimore

I know of people in the medical field who will opt out because of forced vaccination.

Compounding a medial overload by eliminating more help. I guess you can stick your head in the sand and pretend that everything is just fine. IMV
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Something to keep in mind in all this:

Not doing anything and letting the pandemic run rampant would cause even more nurses to leave the profession:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/nurse-shortage-pandemic-burnout-1.6113553

Nurses all over are suffering from record levels of burnout. The solution to that problem is to get the pandemic under control. That won't happen without workplace vaccine mandates.
 
Messianic Israelite

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
KenS said:
Massive Nurse Shortage Hits Houston—Weeks After 150 Unvaccinated Nurses and Hospital Workers Fired | Jon Miltimore
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Texas and Florida have the highest rates of covid infections in the country.

Texas' Republican governor Greg Abbott and Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis have mandated policies that prohibit mask mandates and vaccine checks in all public places.

Medical staffs in Texas and Florida are severely overworked.

The nursing shortage in Texas is 23,000!

Texas hospitals hit by staffing crisis as burnout depletes workforce and COVID-19 surges
There are 23,000 more unfilled jobs in Texas for registered nurses than there are nurses seeking to fill them, according to a labor analysis by the Texas Workforce Commission.
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The 150 who got fired are a drop in the bucket compared to the need caused by people refusing to get vaccinated and by the leadership of people like Abbott and DeSantis. And also, to a lesser degree, by people continuing to spread nonsense about the pandemic.
 
Kenny

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
ecco said:
Texas and Florida have the highest rates of covid infections in the country.

Texas' Republican governor Greg Abbott and Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis have mandated policies that prohibit mask mandates and vaccine checks in all public places.

Medical staffs in Texas and Florida are severely overworked.

The nursing shortage in Texas is 23,000!

Texas hospitals hit by staffing crisis as burnout depletes workforce and COVID-19 surges
There are 23,000 more unfilled jobs in Texas for registered nurses than there are nurses seeking to fill them, according to a labor analysis by the Texas Workforce Commission.
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The 150 who got fired are a drop in the bucket compared to the need caused by people refusing to get vaccinated and by the leadership of people like Abbott and DeSantis. And also, to a lesser degree, by people continuing to spread nonsense about the pandemic.
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with the influx of immigrants that are positive with no isolation time that are then transported anywhere, you can cross Texas and Florida off the list...

It is easy to let millions of illegal people in with at 20 to 30% covid positive rate and then say the problem is the states positions that have increase covid. Imo.


COVID cases reportedly surging in immigrant detention centers
Border Patrol Sending Busloads of Illegal Immigrants to Florida · The Floridian
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
KenS said:
Or maybe, since they are in the medical profession, they may know more than the average person? Do you think the pharma companies influence anything?
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Did pharma kill all the people in NYC, so much that they had to ride in extra freezer trucks to stack all the bodies?
 
TagliatelliMonster

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
KenS said:
The PROPER comparison is "how many people die of Delta after vaccination vs die of Delta after having contracted Covid 19)
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That's not a proper comparison either.

What is important is the mortality rate of the infected with vaccination compared to the mortality rate of the infected without the vaccine.

And what we see is a disproportionate intake of hospital beds (and deaths) of unvaccinated people compared to the amount vaccinated in the general public.

If 60% of the population is vaccinated and +90% in the hospital are unvaccinated, then clearly being vaccinated helps in severely reducing the need to be hospitalized, and by extension the risk of death.

If the vaccine didn't help, then we would expect a similar spread of vaccinated / unvaccinated in hospitals as we see in the general public. But we don't see that at all. Instead, we see a serious underrepresentation of the vaccinated portion of the public in hospital beds. Indicating that they are far less at risk of covid taking such a turn that they require hospitalization or worse.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
If vaccinated people cannot spread Covid why do they need to wear masks? Logic anyone?
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A possibly helpful analogy: think of vaccinated people as damp wood and unvaccinated people as dry kindling.

- can dry kindling burn? Yes - very easily.
- if you pile enough dry kindling around damp wood, can you get the damp wood to catch fire? It's difficult, but yes - with enough dry kindling, it will burn a bit.
- will damp wood burn without dry kindling to help? No.
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
KenS said:
with the influx of immigrants that are positive...

COVID cases reportedly surging in immigrant detention centers
Border Patrol Sending Busloads of Illegal Immigrants to Florida · The Floridian
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You really need to stop getting your information from right wing blogs like:

The Floridian is published and owned by Diverse New Media, Corp and managed by Javier Manjarres, an award-winning South Florida-based political journalist.

Under the Diverse New Media umbrella, he writes, manages, and publishes Floridianpress.com, Hispolitica.com, and JudicialPost.com, in addition to publishing the conservative website, Shark-Tank.com, which can be found under Shark Tank Media, LLc.

During the 2018 election cycle, he ran and lost the primary race for congress in Florida’s 22nd congressional district. He is Republican.
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A person's blog is not a reliable source of information. Ethical, rational people have no need repeat the nonsense found on blogs.

Why do you choose to post links to blogs instead of actual information sources? Is it because your right-wing bloggers are the only places that publish stories that agree with your point of view. By doing so, you lose all credibility.

Fact-checking claims that migrants on the Southern border are to blame for Covid surge - CNNPolitics
"To my knowledge there is no evidence that migrants are to blame for the spike in Florida or other southern states," Aubree Gordon, associate professor of epidemiology at the University of Michigan, told CNN. "We're having significant increases in transmission across many states likely due to the Delta variant."

Regarding the surge, current US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy echoed concerns about the Delta variant, saying near the end of July that "The thing that's making this possible is the fact that we are dealing with the most transmissible version of Covid-19 that we've seen to date."​
 
ecco

ecco

Veteran Member
KenS said:
The PROPER comparison is "how many people die of Delta after vaccination vs die of Delta after having contracted Covid 19)
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how many people die of Delta after vaccination:

The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00%) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%.
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VS.

die of Delta after having contracted Covid 19

Nationwide, deaths from COVID are up 355% since early July. Louisiana hit a record high of 139 deaths in a single day on August 24, according to the Centers for Disease Control. In South Carolina, one funeral home director said they have never seen this many deaths due to COVID.​
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Your PROPER COMPARISON question now has a proper answer. Next.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
KenS said:
Massive Nurse Shortage Hits Houston—Weeks After 150 Unvaccinated Nurses and Hospital Workers Fired | Jon Miltimore

I know of people in the medical field who will opt out because of forced vaccination.

Compounding a medial overload by eliminating more help. I guess you can stick your head in the sand and pretend that everything is just fine. IMV
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I wonder what the consequences would be of having a bunch of unvaccinated medical personnel serving the public in a medical facility?
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Trailblazer said:
That is because some of us know that vaccinations do not eradicate the disease. All they do is protect you from severe symptoms and death. Monoclonal antibodies also accomplish that, but you don't have to have the treatment unless you have the disease.
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"All they do is protect from severe symptoms and death."

Gee, that sounds pretty good to me. :shrug:
 
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