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Poll: The fate of a church hall

What should we do??? - please explain your answer!


  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
So...

My church is made up out of two buildings

There is a sturdy stone one that contains the worship space and toilets

This is connected to a church hall that was built as an extension to the church in the 1970s

The church hall contains a hall, meeting rooms, a stage, and a well equipped kitchen

It's very flimsy and wasn't built to last

It is becoming increasingly dilapedated

Something needs to be done before it starts falling apart and becomes structurally unsound

It's not at that stage yet, but it's getting there

We have three options:

1) Rebuild it
2) Knock down the church hall so we just have a worship space with toilets
3) Knock down the church hall and worship space/toilets and either sell or rent the land they are on, whilst renting another church or meeting space for our services

Regarding option 1: This will cost £450,000 and the congregation has only £135,000 but the rest of the money could possibly come from the church's regional/national organisation. However, we have only a dwindling congregation. I'm the youngest one there, I'm the baby of the congregation. And I'm 38 years old. It would be a waste of the church's money to spend so much money on a new church hall only for the church to have to close down a few years later for want of people attending. Which has happened to other churches in the area - the church in question is the product of two churches merging due to a lack of attendees. Also, this money could be spent on other things! However, the church hall constitutes a Christian presence in the community and is a source of income. I first got involved with the church through taking part in a community thing based in the church hall, which brought me into contact with members of the congregation.

Regarding option 2: A church without a church hall is not a real church! Where would we have tea and biscuits after the service??? Post-service tea is as important as the actual service, at least to me!

Regarding option 3: This would reduce overheads for the congregation. And we could make money off the land that the church and church hall are currently occupying. Parking is in very short supply in the local area, so we could make money turning our land into a car park!

The expenses of renting such a place for our services to take place in could be met from money made from turning the land into a car park!

I think option 3 is the way forward

Me and a guy at another church just down the road from my church think that it would be good for our congregations to merge into an ecumenical church, which I think would be cool, and I see pursuing option 3 as a step in that direction

Anyway, we are due to decide tomorrow

I'm going to vote for option 3

But how would people on RF vote?
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Maybe 2 with the rental/merge plan or maybe 1 with the rental/merge plan. I wouldn't rent it out to another church if I were you, but the idea is to renovate the building using the rental income.

It depends on how good your location is and how it is zoned.
 

anna.

but mostly it's the same
I'd knock down the hall and rebuild. Keep the sturdy stone church, particularly if it has historical significance. If the hall is important for community outreach, find ways to fundraise in the local community by making its potential known to the local community, plus get support from the church national organization, maybe enlist the aid of a higher-up with some clout. But truly, for a church to survive, a congregation needs young families. I don't know if your local demographics will allow for that, but hopefully so.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
I attended services at a church recently, Baptist I think, where the space for worship converts into open space for whatever. The pews and all are easily removed for an event. It works well for them.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
So...

My church is made up out of two buildings

There is a sturdy stone one that contains the worship space and toilets

This is connected to a church hall that was built as an extension to the church in the 1970s

The church hall contains a hall, meeting rooms, a stage, and a well equipped kitchen

It's very flimsy and wasn't built to last

It is becoming increasingly dilapedated

Something needs to be done before it starts falling apart and becomes structurally unsound

It's not at that stage yet, but it's getting there

We have three options:

1) Rebuild it
2) Knock down the church hall so we just have a worship space with toilets
3) Knock down the church hall and worship space/toilets and either sell or rent the land they are on, whilst renting another church or meeting space for our services

Regarding option 1: This will cost £450,000 and the congregation has only £135,000 but the rest of the money could possibly come from the church's regional/national organisation. However, we have only a dwindling congregation. I'm the youngest one there, I'm the baby of the congregation. And I'm 38 years old. It would be a waste of the church's money to spend so much money on a new church hall only for the church to have to close down a few years later for want of people attending. Which has happened to other churches in the area - the church in question is the product of two churches merging due to a lack of attendees. Also, this money could be spent on other things! However, the church hall constitutes a Christian presence in the community and is a source of income. I first got involved with the church through taking part in a community thing based in the church hall, which brought me into contact with members of the congregation.

Regarding option 2: A church without a church hall is not a real church! Where would we have tea and biscuits after the service??? Post-service tea is as important as the actual service, at least to me!

Regarding option 3: This would reduce overheads for the congregation. And we could make money off the land that the church and church hall are currently occupying. Parking is in very short supply in the local area, so we could make money turning our land into a car park!

The expenses of renting such a place for our services to take place in could be met from money made from turning the land into a car park!

I think option 3 is the way forward

Me and a guy at another church just down the road from my church think that it would be good for our congregations to merge into an ecumenical church, which I think would be cool, and I see pursuing option 3 as a step in that direction

Anyway, we are due to decide tomorrow

I'm going to vote for option 3

But how would people on RF vote?
Can't you have your post-service tea in the same space where you do worship? That's what they did at the UU church I attended briefly.

I'd suggest that you (or whatever committee is reviewing your congregation's options) confirm whether or not money is actually available from your national organization. That may make some of the decision for you.

BTW: any reason why you didn't mention renovating your existing worship space as an option? If you have a small congregation, then maybe you could partition some of your worship space off to be a "church hall" type area... and at much less cost than a whole new building.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Personally, I'd vote #3 with a merging option. At least in the US, denominational/doctrinal wars of my youth have basically died away which IMO is a good thing.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So...

My church is made up out of two buildings

There is a sturdy stone one that contains the worship space and toilets

This is connected to a church hall that was built as an extension to the church in the 1970s

The church hall contains a hall, meeting rooms, a stage, and a well equipped kitchen

It's very flimsy and wasn't built to last

It is becoming increasingly dilapedated

Something needs to be done before it starts falling apart and becomes structurally unsound

It's not at that stage yet, but it's getting there

We have three options:

1) Rebuild it
2) Knock down the church hall so we just have a worship space with toilets
3) Knock down the church hall and worship space/toilets and either sell or rent the land they are on, whilst renting another church or meeting space for our services

Regarding option 1: This will cost £450,000 and the congregation has only £135,000 but the rest of the money could possibly come from the church's regional/national organisation. However, we have only a dwindling congregation. I'm the youngest one there, I'm the baby of the congregation. And I'm 38 years old. It would be a waste of the church's money to spend so much money on a new church hall only for the church to have to close down a few years later for want of people attending. Which has happened to other churches in the area - the church in question is the product of two churches merging due to a lack of attendees. Also, this money could be spent on other things! However, the church hall constitutes a Christian presence in the community and is a source of income. I first got involved with the church through taking part in a community thing based in the church hall, which brought me into contact with members of the congregation.

Regarding option 2: A church without a church hall is not a real church! Where would we have tea and biscuits after the service??? Post-service tea is as important as the actual service, at least to me!

Regarding option 3: This would reduce overheads for the congregation. And we could make money off the land that the church and church hall are currently occupying. Parking is in very short supply in the local area, so we could make money turning our land into a car park!

The expenses of renting such a place for our services to take place in could be met from money made from turning the land into a car park!

I think option 3 is the way forward

Me and a guy at another church just down the road from my church think that it would be good for our congregations to merge into an ecumenical church, which I think would be cool, and I see pursuing option 3 as a step in that direction

Anyway, we are due to decide tomorrow

I'm going to vote for option 3

But how would people on RF vote?

" we have only a dwindling congregation. I'm the youngest one there, I'm the baby of the congregation. And I'm 38 years old. "

Sorry, this is the fate of many if not most of the Pauline-Churches. This was bound to happen as was prophesied by Muhammad and confirmed later by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad-the Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi, as I understand.
This affords one to ponder on the wrong and misleading creeds of Pauline-Christianity that have nothing to do with Jesus- his teachings and deeds. Else, the dwindling congregation will continue, because Pauline-Christianity has lately become the breeding ground of Atheism, I understand.
Right?

Regards
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Pauline-Christianity has lately become the breeding ground of Atheism, I understand.
Right?
:facepalm:

When you turn a thread about how a congegation should best deal with a building in disrepair into a diatribe against the OP’s religion you expose yourself for what you are, you reveal your true colors. You put the lie to your signature line. Your protestations that you are peaceful and loving ring hollow.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Today we voted for Option 2
How do you feel about that?

Was there any discussion about renovating the remaining building, i.e. reducing the worship space to fit your congregation's current needs and repurposing the remainder in a way that works better?
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
How do you feel about that?

Was there any discussion about renovating the remaining building, i.e. reducing the worship space to fit your congregation's current needs and repurposing the remainder in a way that works better?
|'m OK with it

I think what we are going to do is partially demolish the church hall and then renovate the bits that don't get demolished - I don't know the details, but it will be possible to serve coffee and tea there after services although I don't think there'd be a room we could rent out
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
" we have only a dwindling congregation. I'm the youngest one there, I'm the baby of the congregation. And I'm 38 years old. "

Sorry, this is the fate of many if not most of the Pauline-Churches. This was bound to happen as was prophesied by Muhammad and confirmed later by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad-the Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi, as I understand.
This affords one to ponder on the wrong and misleading creeds of Pauline-Christianity that have nothing to do with Jesus- his teachings and deeds. Else, the dwindling congregation will continue, because Pauline-Christianity has lately become the breeding ground of Atheism, I understand.
Right?

Regards
I'm putting you on ignore

As I wish to be ignorant about the things you have to say

There is clearly hatred and contempt in your heart
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
" we have only a dwindling congregation. I'm the youngest one there, I'm the baby of the congregation. And I'm 38 years old. "

Sorry, this is the fate of many if not most of the Pauline-Churches. This was bound to happen as was prophesied by Muhammad and confirmed later by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad-the Promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi, as I understand.
This affords one to ponder on the wrong and misleading creeds of Pauline-Christianity that have nothing to do with Jesus- his teachings and deeds. Else, the dwindling congregation will continue, because Pauline-Christianity has lately become the breeding ground of Atheism, I understand.
Right?

I went to attend Sunday service to a nearby Church with a friend sometimes ago. it was built in 1889 as I remember. A huge Church with a big hall and the same size basement. The only attendees were one pastor and another person who did not reside in the vicinity.
In the West see the capacity of the Churches in a town/city and the population of the Christians in the area, one could see ratio of the attendees.
Right?

Regards
 
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