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Poof or Drown?

Poof or Drown?

  • Poof

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Drown

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • Total voters
    7

Rawshak

Member
(Pinecreek/ YouTube --source)
A thought experiment.
God had decided that mankind must die because of their sins. He is going to create a world wide flood.

Poof or drown ?
Hypothetically let's say even the pregnant women's unborn and very small children do in fact deserve to be killed off by God. He will do the act himself. BUT God REQUIRES you to choose the method of execution.


Poof
Painlessly and instantaneously out of existence? or
Running and screaming for hours only to finally painfully thrash and choke to death as their lungs inhale water.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Perhaps you may want to study this list, a bit.

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Rawshak

Member
It is very interesting how many religious people cannot just see simple moral dilemma's and answer them honestly. As if anyone could not see that there is only one real choice but still we see the religious ignore their moral responsibility and obfuscate.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
(Pinecreek/ YouTube --source)
A thought experiment.
God had decided that mankind must die because of their sins. He is going to create a world wide flood.

Poof or drown ?
Hypothetically let's say even the pregnant women's unborn and very small children do in fact deserve to be killed off by God. He will do the act himself. BUT God REQUIRES you to choose the method of execution.


Poof
Painlessly and instantaneously out of existence? or
Running and screaming for hours only to finally painfully thrash and choke to death as their lungs inhale water.


That's god for ya! Don't like my creation on the second attemp, kill em all again, oh wait, save one and his family to start over again so i can kill em all in another 5000 years...
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
It is very interesting how many religious people cannot just see simple moral dilemma's and answer them honestly. As if anyone could not see that there is only one real choice but still we see the religious ignore their moral responsibility and obfuscate.
It's because your question seems opaque. It's not as upfront as most people would like - you're not really showing your cards here, is the problem. The question seems to be asking, on a basic level, why did the Abrahamic God choose to drown people rather than poof them out of existence and if religious people don't agree with their God that this was the right thing to do (drowning) then they're contradicting their own God or beliefs or something to this effect.

It would have been more helpful if you would have parsed your question the way it seems intended, A simple, 'Why would a just God drown people and do you think this was morally right?' would have yielded better results.

Your other problem is addressing religious people as though they are a monolith.
 
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Rawshak

Member
It's because your question seems opaque. It's not as upfront as most people would like - you're not really showing your cards here, is the problem. The question seems to be asking, on a basic level, why did the Abrahamic God choose to drown people rather than poof them out of existence and if religious people don't agree with their God that this was the right thing to do (drowning) then they're contradicting their own God or beliefs or something to this effect.

It would have been more helpful if you would have parsed your question the way it seems intended, A simple, 'Why would a just God drown people to death and do you think this was morally right?' would have yielded better results.

Your other problem is addressing religious people a though they are a monolith.
I can tell you exactly why I ask the question like I do and why I have asked other questions on the forum.
It is to put peoples moral intuitions against their gods morals.
I think it works just judging by the reluctance for people to do it.
I bet your moral intuition is to say poof, but that may well be against your god. The thing I am working towards is that we all know what is right because god "implanted" in us is simply not true. What we believe is morally right often contradicts the morals of gods in religious texts.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
I can tell you exactly why I ask the question like I do and why I have asked other questions on the forum.
It is to put peoples moral intuitions against their gods morals.
I think it works just judging by the reluctance for people to do it.
I bet your moral intuition is to say poof, but that may well be against your god. The thing I am working towards is that we all know what is right because god "implanted" in us is simply not true. What we believe is morally right often contradicts the morals of gods in religious texts.
The question isn't that simple, though. And while it doesn't concern my God, I think it would be more pertinent to see the nuance here. It would be best to clarify with believers why they believe God chose this method and if this reasoning is understandable, then to understand that, in the Biblical account at least, God said he would never flood the world again to achieve such an end. This isn't a basic yes or no question. Of course everyone will, I imagine, pick the poof option, but that would be to fail to understand why God chose not to and what we can learn from that.
 
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Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
(Pinecreek/ YouTube --source)
A thought experiment.
God had decided that mankind must die because of their sins. He is going to create a world wide flood.

Poof or drown ?
Hypothetically let's say even the pregnant women's unborn and very small children do in fact deserve to be killed off by God. He will do the act himself. BUT God REQUIRES you to choose the method of execution.


Poof
Painlessly and instantaneously out of existence? or
Running and screaming for hours only to finally painfully thrash and choke to death as their lungs inhale water.


WT…? :tearsofjoy:
Where on earth are you heading with this
 
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Rawshak

Member
The question isn't that simple, though. And while it doesn't concern my God, I think it would be more pertinent to see the nuance here. It would be best to clarify with believers why they believe God chose this method and if this reasoning is understandable, then to understand that, in the Biblical account at least, God said he would never flood the world again to achieve such an end. This isn't a basic yes or no question. Of course everyone will, I imagine, pick the poof option, but that would be to fail to understand why God chose not to and what we can learn from that.
Well no one has yet come forward to defend their god and or why they decided that drowning is the best option, happy to debate with them, all we have had is one who would take a third option and one who came up with a childish pathetic little insult. I think that says a lot as do the responses to my other threads.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
It is very interesting how many religious people cannot just see simple moral dilemma's and answer them honestly. As if anyone could not see that there is only one real choice but still we see the religious ignore their moral responsibility and obfuscate.

“Moral dilemma”. “One real choice”. “Moral responsibility”.

For me there is no moral dilemma. There is no one choice like you say. I would choose “drown”, along with massive whirlwinds and great lightning storms. I might even come to regret my decision afterwards, maybe not, who can say... but that would be my choice. It would be like an earlier version of the myth where the gods show up and bring about the destruction themselves:

“The hour arrived;
I saw the shape of the storm,
The storm was terrifying to see.
When the first light of dawn appeared,
A black cloud came up from the base of the sky
(Storm god) was rumbling within it,
(Other gods) were marching ahead,
Marched as officers over mountain and country,
(War god) pulled out the mooring poles,
(Another war god) marched on and made the weirs overflow.
The (Anunnaki) carried torches,
They lit up the land with their brightness
The calm before the storm-god came over he sky
Then everything that was light turned to darkness
On the first day the tempest rose up
Blew swiftly and brought the flood weapon
A battle force, the destructive divine weapon passed over the people.
No man could see his fellow.
Nor could people be distinguished from the sky.
Even the gods were afraid of the flood-weapon
They withdrew, they went up to the heaven of (Sky god).

(The gods weep and regret their actions)

For six days, seven nights,
The wind blew, flood and tempest overwhelmed the land.
When the seventh day arrived
The tempest, flood and onslaught
Which had struggled like a woman in labour,
Finally blew themselves out
The sea became calm
The divine wind weapon grew quiet
The flood held back
I looked at the weather; silence reigned
For all mankind had returned to clay.”
 

Rawshak

Member
“Moral dilemma”. “One real choice”. “Moral responsibility”.

For me there is no moral dilemma. There is no one choice like you say. I would choose “drown”, along with massive whirlwinds and great lightning storms. I might even come to regret my decision afterwards, maybe not, who can say... but that would be my choice. It would be like an earlier version of the myth where the gods show up and bring about the destruction themselves:

“The hour arrived;
I saw the shape of the storm,
The storm was terrifying to see.
When the first light of dawn appeared,
A black cloud came up from the base of the sky
(Storm god) was rumbling within it,
(Other gods) were marching ahead,
Marched as officers over mountain and country,
(War god) pulled out the mooring poles,
(Another war god) marched on and made the weirs overflow.
The (Anunnaki) carried torches,
They lit up the land with their brightness
The calm before the storm-god came over he sky
Then everything that was light turned to darkness
On the first day the tempest rose up
Blew swiftly and brought the flood weapon
A battle force, the destructive divine weapon passed over the people.
No man could see his fellow.
Nor could people be distinguished from the sky.
Even the gods were afraid of the flood-weapon
They withdrew, they went up to the heaven of (Sky god).

(The gods weep and regret their actions)

For six days, seven nights,
The wind blew, flood and tempest overwhelmed the land.
When the seventh day arrived
The tempest, flood and onslaught
Which had struggled like a woman in labour,
Finally blew themselves out
The sea became calm
The divine wind weapon grew quiet
The flood held back
I looked at the weather; silence reigned
For all mankind had returned to clay.”
Thank you, could you explain why you would chose drowning?
 
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