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Biden's failing global Covid-19 response

Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Truthseeker9 said:
No matter who's president of the U.S., America comes first. Why can't any president think globally, instead of nationally? Because the public doesn't care enough, and the politicians want to get re-elected.

Opinion: Biden's failing global Covid-19 response - CNN
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A) Politician will say whatever they think will get them elected.
B) the POTUS isn't all that powerful.

Even if Biden wanted to live up to all of his promises, he probably couldn't.
While we tend to focus on and blame the President for all of our ills, they are only 1/3 of the government.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
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nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
A) Politician will say whatever they think will get them elected.
B) the POTUS isn't all that powerful.

Even if Biden wanted to live up to all of his promises, he probably couldn't.
While we tend to focus on and blame the President for all of our ills, they are only 1/3 of the government.
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Looks like the problems are just too big for any government... except one of course. Isaiah 9:6, 7 ; Daniel 2:44
Alll the evidence points to that one government taking over very soon too.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Trailblazer said:
Since I don't believe that vaccines are the answer to the pandemic, I don't see this as a failure:


I would also watch this video:

A COMING COVID CATASTROPHE
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I looked at portions on the video, but it is technical and hard to follow. I'm not sure, but he may be saying this is similar to giving anti-biotics to a lot of people, and you almost get rid of the disease, but in doing so the germ or virus or whatever mutates faster because of the principle of the survival of the fittest. I know in the world today anti-biotics have been used too often, and as a result the specific anti-biotic ceases to be effective anymore as a result of being used too often. I understand that this has been happening. Doctors today have learned from this and are being more judicious in using anti-biotics.

He does say that he has no problem with the vaccines themselves. He seems to be saying that using them in the millions in the midst of a raging pandemic will be bad in the long run.

However, this in my opinion, doesn't mean that what Biden is directing is right for how he understands the situation.

If this video is correct, and it does seem to be genuine good information as far as I can tell, we are in for a great deal of trouble in the future. This pandemic will devastate us all in the long run!:(
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Jeremiah Ames said:
I heard rumors that the US is sending more vaccine to other countries, than all other countries combined.
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I don't know if that is true or not, but the US the richest country, and the US has made sure that citizens of our country get vaccinated before sending vaccinations to other countries. That is true of all countries. All countries make sure that their own citizens get vaccinated first. This our country first is what I object to. I consider myself a world citizen. Each country ideally should make citizens of all countries equal to their citizens.

Perhaps I'm expecting too much, I admit.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Truthseeker9 said:
No matter who's president of the U.S., America comes first. Why can't any president think globally, instead of nationally? Because the public doesn't care enough, and the politicians want to get re-elected.

Opinion: Biden's failing global Covid-19 response - CNN
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No one country can fix the world's problems all by itself.

Consider, too, that in order to actually accomplish anything using the resources of any nation, you actually do need to exercise some authority in that nation -- so if you can't get elected, you're pretty much powerless anyway. And unfortunately, the rules around elections specify that the only people who can vote for you are the ones in (or from) your own nation.

For that reason, it is necessary to satisfy those who can grant you power in order to use your power to do anything at all for anybody else.

And as @Jeremiah Ames in this thread mentioned, the US is -- in fact -- donating more vaccine around the world than any other nation, and possibly all other nations combined.

So I think that your criticism is really unjustified from any realistic perspective.
 
danieldemol

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Truthseeker9 said:
Why can't any president think globally, instead of nationally?
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Because he is not voted for by the entire world?

But seriously president Biden and Co seem to be doing much more for global vaccination than do the republicans, so whilst there is room for improvement we should be wary of criticising them in a way which may suggest they (democrats and republicans) are on equal footing.

In my opinion.
 
Jeremiah Ames

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Truthseeker9 said:
I don't know if that is true or not, but the US the richest country, and the US has made sure that citizens of our country get vaccinated before sending vaccinations to other countries. That is true of all countries. All countries make sure that their own citizens get vaccinated first. This our country first is what I object to. I consider myself a world citizen. Each country ideally should make citizens of all countries equal to their citizens.

Perhaps I'm expecting too much, I admit.
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I’m quite pleased to hear you consider yourself a world citizen.

I feel exactly the same.

If I ran the world, there wouldn’t be concepts like:
Borders
Flags
And other very divisive things.
 
nPeace

nPeace

Veteran Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
I need an "oh please" frubal.
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Yes, Sometimes people need something for when they cannot rebut a simple statement of truth.
This might be more fitting.
deaf.gif

:D You can keep it for future. :)
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Truthseeker9 said:
No matter who's president of the U.S., America comes first. Why can't any president think globally, instead of nationally? Because the public doesn't care enough, and the politicians want to get re-elected.

Opinion: Biden's failing global Covid-19 response - CNN
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I have seen a paper that says we are using the wrong vaccines:

Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundaton.

To all authorites, scientsts and experts around the world, to whom this concerns: the entre world populaton.

I am all but an antvaxxer. As a scientist I do not usually appeal to any platform of this kind to make a stand on vaccine-related topics. As a dedicated virologist and vaccine expert I only make an exception when health authorities allow vaccines to be administered in ways that threaten public health, most certainly when scientific evidence is being ignored. The present extremely critical situation forces me to spread this emergency call. As the unprecedented extent of human intervention in the Covid-19- pandemic is now at risk of resulting in a global catastrophe without equal, this call cannot sound loudly and strongly enough.

As stated, I am not against vaccination. On the contrary, I can assure you that each of the current vaccines have been designed, developed and manufactured by brilliant and competent scientists. However, this type of prophylactic vaccines are completely inappropriate, and even highly dangerous, when used in mass vaccination campaigns during a viral pandemic. Vaccinologists, scientists and clinicians are blinded by the positive short-term effects in individual patients, but don’t seem to bother about the disastrous consequences for global health. Unless I am scientifically proven wrong, it is difficult to understand how current human interventions will prevent circulating variants from turning into a wild monster.

Racing against the clock, I am completing my scientific manuscript, the publication of which is, unfortunately, likely to come too late given the ever increasing threat from rapidly spreading, highly infectious variants. This is why I decided to already post a summary of my findings as well as my keynote speech at the recent Vaccine Summit in Ohio on LinkedIn. Last Monday, I provided international health organizations, including the WHO, with my analysis of the current pandemic as based on scientifically informed insights in the immune biology of Covid-19. Given the level of emergency, I urged them to consider my concerns and to initiate a debate on the detrimental consequences of further ‘viral immune escape’. For those who are no experts in this field, I am attaching below a more accessible and comprehensible version of the science behind this insidious phenomenon.

While there is no time to spare, I have not received any feedback thus far. Experts and politicians have remained silent while obviously still eager to talk about relaxing infection prevention rules and 'springtime freedom'. My statements are based on nothing else but science. They shall only be contradicted by science. While one can barely make any incorrect scientific statements without being criticized by peers, it seems like the elite of scientists who are currently advising our world leaders prefer to stay silent. Sufficient scientific evidence has been brought to the table. Unfortunately, it remains untouched by those who have the power to act. How long can one ignore the problem when there is at present massive evidence that viral immune escape is now threatening humanity? We can hardly say we didn't know - or were not warned.

In this agonizing letter I put all of my reputation and credibility at stake. I expect from you, guardians of mankind, at least the same. It is of utmost urgency. Do open the debate. By all means: turn the tide!

March 6, 2021
 

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Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Nakosis said:
A) Politician will say whatever they think will get them elected.
B) the POTUS isn't all that powerful.

Even if Biden wanted to live up to all of his promises, he probably couldn't.
While we tend to focus on and blame the President for all of our ills, they are only 1/3 of the government.
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Despite the article my focus is not on the president, but on nationalism. All countries of the world put their countries first, and this will cause disastrous consequences for us all including the nations that are doing this.:( Also in light of the article that I partly cited above this post I now realize that part of the problem is short term thinking. If we don't think long term the consequences will be disastrous.:(

The only positive I can take from this is that we will learn a lesson from this and think globally and long term.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Revoltingest said:
Vaccinations are useful, but only part of the picture.
I'm not prepared to judge Biden's related policies yet.
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It's not really about Biden, but concerns all scientists of the world and all nations of the world. See my two posts above.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Truthseeker9 said:
It's not really about Biden, but concerns all scientists of the world and all nations of the world. See my two posts above.
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The title & OP specifically addressed Biden.
But I've no opinion yet about his handling of
Ameristan policy regarding ferriners.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Evangelicalhumanist said:
No one country can fix the world's problems all by itself.

Consider, too, that in order to actually accomplish anything using the resources of any nation, you actually do need to exercise some authority in that nation -- so if you can't get elected, you're pretty much powerless anyway. And unfortunately, the rules around elections specify that the only people who can vote for you are the ones in (or from) your own nation.

For that reason, it is necessary to satisfy those who can grant you power in order to use your power to do anything at all for anybody else.

And as @Jeremiah Ames in this thread mentioned, the US is -- in fact -- donating more vaccine around the world than any other nation, and possibly all other nations combined.

So I think that your criticism is really unjustified from any realistic perspective.
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I agree that the problem is with the people of this nation. I also assert there is a problem with the political system. Also see my posts above about scientists who are seeing only the short term.
 
Truthseeker

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
danieldemol said:
Because he is not voted for by the entire world?

But seriously president Biden and Co seem to be doing much more for global vaccination than do the republicans, so whilst there is room for improvement we should be wary of criticising them in a way which may suggest they (democrats and republicans) are on equal footing.

In my opinion.
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It's not about party. I try not to be on the side of any party. I hate partisan politics. It should be done away with.

It's also about nationalism where the voters only care about their own country. I'm not against Biden. I like him, he's a decent fellow.
 
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