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Pray Away. (the gay)

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Yes, since God is immutable, and that His character is not contingent upon circumstance, we understand that the prohibitions and precepts that He deems righteous, are inherently so. Not to mention that either wisdom or experience teaches us of the hypocrisy of theft, the cowardice and weakness of lies, the lack of control of vice, the apathy of 'looking out for #1', ...
eg: One who doesn't tell the truth, can't handle the truth. The empty can makes the loudest noise. One who steals will not tolerate another stealing from them. A liar falsely and inconveniently assumes that everyone else is lying, because that is what they will do in the same situation, ...
There's an insanity to corruption.

Oh I’m a big fan of the first horn. Whenever we get into some philosophical tussle over the aseity-sovereignty paradox it just makes it that much easier on me ;)
 

DNB

Christian
Well that is rather funny, given that you seem to get your views regarding sexual orientation from popular examples of such (go back to your post), apart from some religious text which you might swallow without thought - and not coming from actual evidence. Desperate? Look in the mirror, chum! :rolleyes:
I spoke of many things, predominantly my views were based on biological, and the resulting behavioral pattern, reasons.
Why do you atheists always play the religious card, never, ever once have I brought that into the conversation worth mentioning?
 
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Justanatheist

Well-Known Member
I spoke of many things, simpleton, predominantly my views were based on biological, and the resulting behavioral pattern, reasons.
Why do you atheists always play the religious card, never, ever once have I brought that into the conversation worth mentioning?
Tell me do you think your churlish little insults represent your religion and god well?
 

DNB

Christian
Oh I’m a big fan of the first horn. Whenever we get into some philosophical tussle over the aseity-sovereignty paradox it just makes it that much easier on me ;)
looking forward to it.... ...a lot of your terminology is over my head, but we'll see what happens...
 

DNB

Christian
No you are pushing ideas because you have a book written in the iron age which you appear to think gives you the right to tell others what they should do in bed.
Earth to justanatheist, earth to justanatheist, please come in if you are there...?
 

DNB

Christian
True I am very good at avoiding baby rattles when certain types of christians lose it, they are often from very insular little communities and are not used to having their opinions challenged.
Your presuppositions are making you delirious, eh?
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
looking forward to it.... ...a lot of your terminology is over my head, but we'll see what happens...

It’s a little paradox regarding the aseity of God (to exist a se is to exist without any dependency on anything else, to exist unto itself) and God’s sovereignty. I present the argument when someone makes claims that trigger the problem; wrong claims such as “God is the foundation of logic.”
 

Justanatheist

Well-Known Member
It’s a little paradox regarding the aseity of God (to exist a se is to exist without any dependency on anything else, to exist unto itself) and God’s sovereignty. I present the argument when someone makes claims that trigger the problem; wrong claims such as “God is the foundation of logic.”
Interested in this, have you discussed this in other threads, could you point them out?
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Interested in this, have you discussed this in other threads, could you point them out?

I have, though they are somewhat buried. The aseity-sovereignty paradox came up briefly in my Special Pleading and the Problem of Evil (Part 3) thread.

I could probably find it. Or I can just type a little ditty on the A-SP later today after I’ve had some sleep.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I spoke of many things, predominantly my views were based on biological, and the resulting behavioral pattern, reasons.
Why do you atheists always play the religious card, never, ever once have I brought that into the conversation worth mentioning?
Is that the religious branch of biological and behavioural science, since I doubt you will find any of the natural sort who would entertain or support your views. Your religious bias is obvious. That is why it is brought into the argument. Without such, you might be more inclined to look at evidence impartially and without judgment, if that were possible. But like many, you are more likely not to be able to do so since religious dogma is perched on one shoulder telling you what to think. :rolleyes:
 

Justanatheist

Well-Known Member
For the hard of understanding,

Furthermore, biology is not as straightforward as the proposal suggests. By some estimates, as many as one in 100 people have differences or disorders of sex development, such as hormonal conditions, genetic changes or anatomical ambiguities, some of which mean that their genitalia cannot clearly be classified as male or female. For most of the twentieth century, doctors would often surgically alter an infant’s ambiguous genitals to match whichever sex was easier, and expect the child to adapt. Frequently, they were wrong. A 2004 study tracked 14 genetically male children given female genitalia; 8 ended up identifying as male, and the surgical intervention caused them great distress (W. G. Reiner and J. P. Gearhart N. Engl. J. Med. 350, 333–341; 2004).

Even more scientifically complex is a mismatch between gender and the sex on a person’s birth certificate. Some evidence suggests that transgender identity has genetic or hormonal roots, but its exact biological correlates are unclear. Whatever the cause, organizations such as the American Academy of Pediatrics advise physicians to treat people according to their preferred gender, regardless of appearance or genetics.

The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female, and gender as a spectrum that includes transgender people and those who identify as neither male nor female.
US proposal for defining gender has no basis in science
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Abnormal =/= bad. Abnormal can be bad, but sometimes it's just neutral, with no moral connotation: consider left-handed people, when so many people are right-handed across nearly every culture. That's abnormal, but not bad.

So abnormality might be a necessary condition for moral wrongness, but it is not a sufficient condition.

That's just it. The Old Testament laws try to boil things down in a black and white manner. Things that are not common are sinful. Things are to have certain criteria, and anything not adhering to that criteria is unclean. I guess it's easier than thinking.
 
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