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Pray Away. (the gay)

Justanatheist

Well-Known Member
Not to speak for him but his position seems consistent to me: elsewhere (I think in this thread) he has rejected heterosexuals doing oral and anal as well. Not saying I agree with his view, just that it's at least consistent in that regard. But by all means this is just my analysis and observation, the only person whose word matters on his position is his own, whenever he's back and able to post.

Edit: Not this thread, it's in my "If hell is eternal suffering" thread.
Read the posts in the other thread, best I do not comment on them, leave it to posters like yourself who have more tolerance.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Read the posts in the other thread, best I do not comment on them, leave it to posters like yourself who have more tolerance.

Who, moi? I'm not quite patient sometimes, haha. As far as objectors to homosexuality go, I think he has been polite, framed things in terms of his beliefs, has listened and tried to discuss rather than merely admonish. I like him (I mean, barring a sudden personality change), I just obviously don't like the beliefs.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Like i said, I would've expected a more balanced and perceptive insight coming from a forum, that I assume, are mostly adults?
Have you not seen your genitalia lately, can you not tell the difference as to what gender that you are, or as to what defines gender? Are you trying to sound compassionate or hip, at the cost of appearing hypocritical and oblivious? Who's the bigot when my position was based on empirical evidence, and you accuse me of being indoctrinated - it would appear therefore that you have an issue with God-fearing people? BTW, i cited the Scripture only because someone on this thread claimed that Homosexuality was not condemned in the Bible, I merely gave the proof-text for their sake.
When you have a bit more actual knowledge regarding sexual orientation I suspect we (some of us) would take you seriously but until then you will just be another placed in the bigot bin, as so many are who come here with mostly dogmatic religious perspectives and defend such over any other evidence to the contrary. Am I bothered? :D
 
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Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
When you have a bit more actual knowledge regarding sexual orientation I suspect we would take you seriously but until then you will just be placed in the bigot bin, as so many are who come here with mostly religious perspectives and defend such over any other evidence to the contrary. Am I bothered? :D

"Am I bothered?" :p Were you thinking of that Catherine Tate character?
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
No, that is too common to be able to differentiate, it will not be classified as anything other than a conventional lifestyle. Once you deviate from that, then we have an anomaly that sets you
apart and allows a more particular definition, possibly stigmatized. In general, a musician leads a rock & roll lifestyle, an athlete a healthy lifestyle, an erudite a rather studious lifestyle, and a homosexual an unorthodox or deviant lifestyle - all of these assessments are based on things outside of the normal aspects of their daily activities (shopping, movies, exercise, concerts, work, ...).


It is the peculiar or irregular aspects of one's life that define their lifestyle - the uncommon activities. Otherwise, there's nothing noteworthy to either differentiate or categorize.


Excuse what might appear to be a callous remark, but many people have for either justified or unjustified reasons. Bui, I don't recommend on any level, that anybody desist from, or engage in, any activity that they are not convicted that there is greater merit in doling so, than by not doing so. Acting in vain, produces only frustration.
I, ideally, would like you to recognize the rather bizarre nature of your relationship, and how either remaining celibate, or learning to see the symbiotic beauty in a heterosexual relationship, would result in your betterment. I would not expect anyone to make any decision about their relationship, without gaining this realization first.


That was a miscommunicated error on my part - i meant to express the usefulness in abstinence, that is just to supplement the argument for it - since sex often leads to a form of hedonism (objectification), the less that we indulge, the better.

So then as a gay man living a typical middle America lifestyle the term “gay lifestyle” doesn’t apply to me though I am a gay man, correct? So the next question is, and actually has been all along: just what is a gay lifestyle? No one who says it can seem to define it.
 

DNB

Christian
According to PornHub, gay male porn is the 2nd most watched category by self-identified female users in 2015, apparently.

I'm a lesbian and I sometimes watch straight porn out of the sheer dearth of decent lesbian porn (I just ignore the man).
Never would've imagined, ...there goes my theory?
...funny.
 

DNB

Christian
Sin exists in your head only, it is a product of your imagination, Atheists do not sin since we have no imaginary god to sin against, if you want to prove I have sinned then you have to prove your god exists and no one can.

Get real, someone who believes in the supernatural is telling me to get real, that has to be one of the funniest posts this month!

Anyway some excellent and far more articulate members of the LGBT community have come along to debunk your sad little phobias and they can represent themselves far better than I can represent them. So I think we are done.
So you take no offense to rapists, murderers or kidnappers? If you could stop them (probably only in a selfish way, in your case), you would, but you don't consider them degenerate, depraved, or in need of therapy or incarceration?
Sin is not wrong just because God deems it as such, it is inherently consequential, subversive and destructive - which is why God deems it as such.
 

DNB

Christian
When you have a bit more actual knowledge regarding sexual orientation I suspect we (some of us) would take you seriously but until then you will just be another placed in the bigot bin, as so many are who come here with mostly dogmatic religious perspectives and defend such over any other evidence to the contrary. Am I bothered? :D
If you had more knowledge of human propensity and the nature of sin, you wouldn't appear as oblivious and desperate in your argumentation.
 

DNB

Christian
So then as a gay man living a typical middle America lifestyle the term “gay lifestyle” doesn’t apply to me though I am a gay man, correct? So the next question is, and actually has been all along: just what is a gay lifestyle? No one who says it can seem to define it.
For crying out loud, it is the unconventional aspect of what occurs regularly and prevalently in your life - yours would be being married to, having sex with, and every night sleeping beside someone of the same sex
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
So you take no offense to rapists, murderers or kidnappers? If you could stop them (probably only in a selfish way, in your case), you would, but you don't consider them degenerate, depraved, or in need of therapy or incarceration?
Sin is not wrong just because God deems it as such, it is inherently consequential, subversive and destructive - which is why God deems it as such.

Taking note that you take the first horn of Euthyphro here, then: what is pious is loved by the gods because it is pious? C’est magnifique! There are many second horn/Divine Command Theory types on the forum, it’s about time.
 

Justanatheist

Well-Known Member
So you take no offense to rapists, murderers or kidnappers? If you could stop them (probably only in a selfish way, in your case), you would, but you don't consider them degenerate, depraved, or in need of therapy or incarceration?
Now where do I say anything about rapist, murderers and kidnappers, I do not,' Why do you appear to be equating the LGBT community with rapists etc?

Sin is not wrong just because God deems it as such, it is inherently consequential, subversive and destructive - which is why God deems it as such.

Sin requires a god, you cannot show such a god exists, if you ever do, come back and talk to me about sin.'
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
If you had more knowledge of human propensity and the nature of sin, you wouldn't appear as oblivious and desperate in your argumentation.
Well that is rather funny, given that you seem to get your views regarding sexual orientation from popular examples of such (go back to your post), apart from some religious text which you might swallow without thought - and not coming from actual evidence. Desperate? Look in the mirror, chum! :rolleyes:
 

DNB

Christian
Taking note that you take the first horn of Euthyphro here, then: what is pious is loved by the gods because it is pious? C’est magnifique! There are many second horn/Divine Command Theory types on the forum, it’s about time.
Yes, since God is immutable, and that His character is not contingent upon circumstance, we understand that the prohibitions and precepts that He deems righteous, are inherently so. Not to mention that either wisdom or experience teaches us of the hypocrisy of theft, the cowardice and weakness of lies, the lack of control of vice, the apathy of 'looking out for #1', ...
eg: One who doesn't tell the truth, can't handle the truth. The empty can makes the loudest noise. One who steals will not tolerate another stealing from them. A liar falsely and inconveniently assumes that everyone else is lying, because that is what they will do in the same situation, ...
There's an insanity to corruption.
 

DNB

Christian
The thing about debating Christians like you is that you constantly make things up, now where do I say anything about rapist, murderers and kidnappers, I do not,' like your god it exists only in your head. Why do you appear to be equating the LGBT community with rapists etc?



Sin requires a god, you cannot show such a god exists, if you ever do, come back and talk to me about sin.'
This conversation, just for starters.
 
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