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Do you think Osama bin laden changed the way USA works
- Thread starter Lars
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In 1999, I went on a road trip to Virginia with some university friends. We piled into our 2 cars and headed south.
At the border, I was in the second car. Our friends pulled up to the booth, talked to the border guard for a bit, then went on through.
We moved up to the booth. The border guard asked "is everyone in the car Canadian?"
"Yep."
"Are you going to the same place they are?"
"Yep."
"Okay - go ahead."
Didn't even ask to see ID.
I haven't had a border experience like that since 2001.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Terrorism changes the way every country works.
Changes are made to stop repeats of atrocities, peoples freedoms may be challenged.
When flying we can't take bottles, we get significant security scans, checks.
Abandoned cases/bags cause security alerts.
BUT it wasn't just OBL who did this, in the UK the IRA changed our lives.
Changes are made to stop repeats of atrocities, peoples freedoms may be challenged.
When flying we can't take bottles, we get significant security scans, checks.
Abandoned cases/bags cause security alerts.
BUT it wasn't just OBL who did this, in the UK the IRA changed our lives.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It wasn't Bin Laden. The only ones who really changed things were Bush and everyone who signed for the PATRIOT act and allowed the creation of the TSA.
Bin Laden didn't do that.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
What Bin Laden changed was he blew the doors wide open for Conservatives to be wrong about Muslims and Liberals to be wrong about Islam. Bin Laden did get discussions of Islam and Muslims going here, and that turned into a real mess.
Altfish
Veteran Member
The IRA were terrorising the UK well before Bin Laden.
The UK government made the changes, not Bush or the Patriot Act.
One of our favorite vacation spots was Nova Scotia, until a passport was required. Had to remember if were going to fly not to wear hairpins or underwire bra to pass through metal detector etc. I think Bin Laden's initial reason was our prolonged stay (military base) in his holy land.
Lars
Member
The thing is. Afghanistan and Pakistan were the only countries to accept Osama Bin Laden. No other countries would accept him "assuming the interview is correct on that intel". So i guess its no wonder why US troops wanted to go take on Afghanistan to secure control. But yeah, history like this seems like flaws and errors one can learn from. Especially misinformation.
Been watching this now. Just kinda interesting how it unfolded.
Been watching this now. Just kinda interesting how it unfolded.
Jeremiah Ames
Well-Known Member
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
And what about this whole thing I have read, that the U.S. wanted them to fight the soviets. That wasn't mentioned in the clip
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
We used to have the greatest un-defended open border on the face of the earth between two countries.
Terrorism destroyed all that.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Rambo 3 was based on that time.
Jingoism and fascism destroyed all that.
After 9/11, American authoritarians took the old advice "never waste a good crisis" and just ran with it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
The vast overreach and oversight of government and mass violation of rights, that was not an automatic or necessary action. And then creation on the Thieves and Sexual Aggressors (TSA) was not necessary or some automated response.
This was not Bin Laden's doing. He struck fear as intended. The domestic response, however, and having horrible things done to civil rights and liberties, Bush Jr. charged out front to lead the march.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The Patriot act was a direct response to the actions of Al Qaeda.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
A reaction was going to happen.
Bush led the charge for a disaster of a response. A better ran state likely would have done different.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I liked Bush.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
He threw many of our necessary rights to be protected from the state out the window. He basically nullified parts of the Constitution, all in the name of security.
TSA is another thing that Bush unnecessarily created, making us a country who has professional thieves and molesters on the government payroll that most people are regularly exposed to as a requirement for travel.
None of that was Osama.
It would have been more fitting if he had spent his retirement at GITMO, magically out of range of habeas corpus.