metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And I suppose Trump and the Pubs are a bastion of honesty and compassion, right?
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Left wingers in USA seem to be more imperialist fascists than right wingers nowadays
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
What you are missing is that the two parties "flipped" sides during the Great Depression. Before that, the Pubs were the more liberal party, but after that it was the Dems that took that position as FDR increasingly began to use Eugene V. Debs ideas, including "priming the pump".
Jimmy Dore is ****ing awesome. I watch him regularly. People like him are the real left in America. No surprise then that no one in this thread has apparently heard of him.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Do they care?
No. They aren't abandoning failed principles. They are abandoning and renouncing democracy.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
So mutual aid and collective action of the working class? Sounds brilliant, sign me up! No really, please do.
*raises hand sheepishly*Jimmy Dore is ****ing awesome. I watch him regularly. People like him are the real left in America. No surprise then that no one in this thread has apparently heard of him.
I have. But maybe that doesn’t count as I’m not an American
Not surprising. You seem to be more knowledgeable about such things than most on this board.
ElishaElijah
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You’ve got to be joking, in 7 months with Democrats controlling govt, we have lost energy independence, gas prices way up, inflation through the roof, illegal immigration unsustainable, now Afghanistan fiasco, which is anything but on the side of rights. Your delusional on Democrats and their policies, failures and have no clue how to govern properly.
It sounds like you are referring to the Civil War era Democrats who were conservatives. Look at Democrats today and you'll see a party with a great deal of racial, gender, religious, and age diversity. The Republicans are mostly white, Christian men. So if you are going to accuse anyone of being scum use examples, like a person lying about a category of people.
Oh yeah man, great example of how things used to be over 100 years ago. That comparison doesn't work today. Do you think Obama would approve that movie?
Lars
Member
I take it you support transracial group too lol. Look its about money profiting. Democrats never changed at all, want proof ? Coloured People back then was a racist term, now you have self segregated groups called People of Colour. Democrats are **** in that country and i hope people vote 3rd party and burn the two party system in that country. it sucks so bad
You don't seem aware that many Democrats are black people, among other minorities. So I'm not quite sure what you base your prejudice on.
What media sources are you using? Your views are not well informed and heavily biased.
Lars
Member
Well racist left wingers keep using Uncle tom insults which is purely KKK methods, and trying to own people who dont think on policies but identity. So its obvious who the scumbags are
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Oil prices fluctuate on the international market, much less the domestic market. Maybe watch some far better news programs instead of Fox.
ElishaElijah
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Biden and Democrats are ruining the US and you’re still committed, We were energy independent, maybe we can go beg OPEC, seems like that’s the Democrat way.
Name some current racist left wingers so the group can understand who exactly you're referring to. And list these insults so we can know you're not imagining this. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Irony.
Explain how Democrats are ruining the US.
And do you think the GOP has a plan that is good for the US? If so, explain.
Oil is a global commodity. American oil producers aren't going to sell their oil below the global market just to be good patriots. No, they are capitalists and they want the full money due them for their production. The USA might produce a lot of oil but there's a global market, and if other global producers limit their output the global price is affected.
Could Republicans demand US oil producers lose money just to ease gas prices? That's what would have to happen, and that is government control over business, and we know what conservatives think of that.
So offer a solution.
Lars
Member
Socialist authoritarianism, enough said. They dont believe in parties, but one party solution. USA is barely a democracy to begin with, you only have really two choices. People in USA sucks for allowing this to happen is all. The system is so corrupt
Not good enough. Too vague and inaccurate. Trump was actually quite authoritarian, and Democrats are not. Nor are they socialist, so again you make bad claims without any actual explanation. It's almost as if you don't know what you are talking about, just repeating right wing extremist nonsense.
The GOP is working towards this with their voting limit laws. They think they are entitled to rule the USA. Adress that.
Again, the poorly informed conservative citizen does pose a threat to democracy. Just look at the January attack on the Capitol to see the danger.
Both major parties suck in their own way, but just as America has changed in the past 250 years, so have the political parties, whose own histories are intertwined with the history of America itself.
The Democrats did change, slowly and incrementally, after the Civil War. As it so happened, they realized that they had to change in order to remain politically relevant, at leas tin the North. In the South, they still had to cater to the white racists of that region, who were largely able to operate with impunity with little to no interference from the federal government or the Northern Republicans, who were thinking more in terms of grabbing as much as they could out West and pushing out into the Pacific.
The Democrats started to shift as they attracted working classes who were at odds with the capitalist business owners and were trying to organize a labor movement. As the cities grew and more immigrants came into the country, they sought an alternative to the pro-industrialist, pro-corporate, pro-capitalist Republicans, and the Democrats were there to offer that alternative.
Teddy Roosevelt might have split the GOP somewhat when he ran as a third-party candidate, but he also turned out to be something of a warmonger and interventionist, strongly advocating that the US go to war with Germany early on in WW1. But his view was not a very popular one. Even Wilson tried to keep us out of it, but he eventually declared war when America's freedom of the seas was threatened (which is a major foreign policy objective we've had from the very start). Both Wilson and Roosevelt offered competing platforms involving social programs and aid to the poor, indicating a desire to improve the quality of life for Americans - an area which the ruling Republican Party had thus far neglected.
Wilson is kind of an enigmatic figure. He represents kind of a link between the old Democratic Party and a harbinger of where it was headed. Yes, he was a racist, and he ostensibly supported the KKK to some degree. But he also supported social programs for the poor and wanted to improve conditions for working people. He also seemed sincere in his desire for peace by offering the Fourteen Points and expressing his wish for a peaceful armistice without any annexations or indemnities - something that was ignored by the other Allied powers at Versailles. Americans weren't ready to get involved in something like the League of Nations or having any permanent alliances. "No foreign entanglements" was still the prevailing view. The Republicans pushed America into a period of isolationism and continued to hold the majority of the hearts and minds of America through the 1920s.
But then, the stock market crashed and the Great Depression began, blamed largely on the Republicans. The Democrats stood ready to capitalize on this and regain power, which they held for almost 20 years, during which they got America out of the Depression, prevailed in World War II, and brought America into the Cold War. (Well, two out of three ain't bad.)
In any case, the Republican isolationism was over, along with some of their economic views which kept much of America in a state of impoverishment. FDR's New Deal realized the true potential of America and made us into a superpower - with all the ensuing benefits and consequences of that role. But there was also greater support for labor and improving the lot of working people, which continued to happen under Truman, Eisenhower (who was Republican, but also supported the New Deal), JFK, and LBJ, who oversaw the greatest economic expansion and improved standard of living America had ever seen.
The Republicans saw this, growing jealous and offended that working people were living well, so they then decided that it all had to come crashing down. That's when Reagan and his ilk started to dominate the party. The Democrats continued to try to stick to the "party of the working man" philosophy, but they were also seen as soft, impotent, and weak. For them, I think they hit rock bottom when Michael Dukakis was shown on the news driving a tank, trying to counter his image of being a weak liberal peacenik. "No, I'm tough, I can drive a tank, see?"
Trouble was, the Democrats ostensibly felt they needed to reinvent themselves and put forth a new image, which Bill and Hillary Clinton were able to provide. And it actually worked.
Lars
Member
USA is not a democracy, its a ****hole. Its two party system that doesnt allow or undermine other parties. Screw USA if thats what they consider a democracy, a failing one if anything