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Left wingers in USA seem to be more imperialist fascists than right wingers nowadays

AlexanderG

AlexanderG

Active Member
Lars said:
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
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I wish the US had a parliamentary system, and no electoral college or senate since those are inherently undemocratic. The US is not technically a democracy, but a republic; representation of the states as sovereign entities is prioritized more highly than representation of the people as citizens, which is leading to outcomes many see as unjust and unfair. I agree it's a very flawed system, and our "first past the post" election structure only allows for two viable political parties.

I can't agree with your characterization of Democrats. I really do wonder what media you consume, because so many of your ideas don't seem to correspond to reality. Democrats at least have an interest in the US government functioning to the benefit of all its citizens within the parameters of the constitution, and they make good faith attempts to achieve this. I can't say any of that about the Republicans, whose white supremacist roots have always been at odds with representative government, the bill of rights, and any egalitarian power structure.

Also, going by attempts to overthrow the government and overturn a valid election to install an extra-legal dictator whose pronouncements are correct by fiat (Republicans: 1, Democrats: 0), I'd say Democrats aren't the authoritarian fascists in this scenario.
 
Lars

Lars

Member
F1fan said:
This is bogus. The Democrats are definitely on the correct side of rights, equality, and progress. No politics is perfect, but it is clear the GOP has devolved as a political party that has any ethics or cooperative motives. There are a few exceptions, but the GOP is working hard to drag down the USA right now oNLY because they are relying on a voting base that is poorly informed and highly divisive.


I think you need less YouTube in your life.
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KKK and organized racism became a motive of the establishment to profit of racism in that country and it still is with the two party system it runs on. Do you wonder why Democrats flipped to begin with? They wanted to continue that institution. Its money in racism in USA and thats what they run on. Democrats is equally scummy as Republicans. Same thing

If you want proof? When the movie "The Birth of a nation" came out in 1915 there was protests over the movie, and the movie itself resurrected KKK. Guess who approved the movie? The US president at the time. You think its a coincidence?
 
Lars

Lars

Member
AlexanderG said:
I wish the US had a parliamentary system, and no electoral college or senate since those are inherently undemocratic. The US is not technically a democracy, but a republic; representation of the states as sovereign entities is prioritized more highly than representation of the people as citizens, which is leading to outcomes many see as unjust and unfair. I agree it's a very flawed system, and our "first past the post" election structure only allows for two viable political parties.

I can't agree with your characterization of Democrats. I really do wonder what media you consume, because so many of your ideas don't seem to correspond to reality. Democrats at least have an interest in the US government functioning to the benefit of all its citizens within the parameters of the constitution, and they make good faith attempts to achieve this. I can't say any of that about the Republicans, whose white supremacist roots have always been at odds with representative government, the bill of rights, and any egalitarian power structure.

Also, going by attempts to overthrow the government and overturn a valid election to install an extra-legal dictator whose pronouncements are correct by fiat (Republicans: 1, Democrats: 0), I'd say Democrats aren't the authoritarian fascists in this scenario.
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USA isnt a democracy to begin with. So the political voting system is awful. I hate both Democrats and Republicans. just dont vote, you are the problem if you continue to support the voting system in that country, and not being in favor of people outside the centralized parties. They call it 3rd party but thats who you gotta encourage going for. Organize parties to kill the centralized extreme left and extreme right party of Democrats and Republicans that is horrible and just basically dictatorship
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Lars said:
KKK and organized racism became a motive of the establishment to profit of racism in that country and it still is with the two party system it runs on. Do you wonder why Democrats flipped to begin with? They wanted to continue that institution. Its money in racism in USA and thats what they run on. Democrats is equally scummy as Republicans. Same thing

If you want proof? When the movie "The Birth of a nation" came out in 1915 there was protests over the movie, and the movie itself resurrected KKK. Guess who approved the movie? The US president at the time. You think its a coincidence?
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I am maybe not the right person to ask this since i am a non political person, but can you compare 1915 America with 2021 America :confused: As far as i know, there is a huge difference
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Lars said:
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
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Politicians are politicians. I don't think a 3rd party will escape that. It's human nature to allow power to corrupt IMO. That's why I'd prefer to limit governmental powers.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
I wasn't licking, I helped light the fuse for the dynamite.

Haven't you seen a doctor yet for your memory loss?
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Dynamite that turned out to be a pitiful fizzle.

As for hypocrisy:

The republicans tout themselves as the party of faith (Christianity, specifically), yet their platform and policies are totally antithetical to the teachings and examples of Christ.
The Republicans tout themselves as the party of freedom, but they've opposed gay marriage, reproduction choice, cannabis legalization, etc.
They Republicans tout themselves as the party for the people yet sought to defy the result of their votes.

...so how are the Dems the bigger hypocrites again?
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Father Heathen said:
Dynamite that turned out to be a pitiful fizzle.

As for hypocrisy:

The republicans tout themselves as the party of faith (Christianity, specifically), yet their platform and policies are totally antithetical to the teachings and examples of Christ.
The Republicans tout themselves as the party of freedom, but they've opposed gay marriage, reproduction choice, cannabis legalization, etc.
They Republicans tout themselves as the party for the people yet sought to defy the result of their votes.

...so how are the Dems the bigger hypocrites again?
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If that's a fizzle...

I'm more than impressed at the future potential and use of trumpified political ordinance.

And dang.... that memory loss!
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
No. It's the student that superceded the teacher.

Democrats have refined themselves to an impressive level.

Don't be so modest.
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Well, Reagan was the one who chided the Democrats as "tax and spend liberals," while his administration ran up the biggest deficits at that point, making the GOP "borrow and spend conservatives." The same party that said that they were going to "get government off our backs" gave us the war on drugs and greatly expanded the power of government to seize private property. The same party that claims to be patriotic and pro-American has overseen the gutting of American industry and sent it overseas.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
If that's a fizzle...

I'm more than impressed at the future potential and use of trumpified political ordinance.

And dang.... that memory loss!
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I don't think synchronized swimming in a latrine has been nor will be an effective strategy for the Republicans.

And of course you would dodge the remainder of my post.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Lars said:
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
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After your very nonsensical cannibal thing and calling gay pride something of socialist degenerates, why should any of us take your seriously?
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Nakosis said:
Politicians are politicians. I don't think a 3rd party will escape that. It's human nature to allow power to corrupt IMO. That's why I'd prefer to limit governmental powers.
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The same people who "corrupt"* government are the ones who will be most empowered by a limit on governmental powers, because these people will be the ones who set the limit on what the government can and can't do (and in fact, they have been doing that for some time already).

*) You can't really talk of corruption, in my opinion, when a government does exactly what it is supposed to do - namely, to support and enforce the agenda of the ruling class.
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Lars said:
KKK and organized racism became a motive of the establishment to profit of racism in that country and it still is with the two party system it runs on. Do you wonder why Democrats flipped to begin with? They wanted to continue that institution. Its money in racism in USA and thats what they run on. Democrats is equally scummy as Republicans. Same thing

If you want proof? When the movie "The Birth of a nation" came out in 1915 there was protests over the movie, and the movie itself resurrected KKK. Guess who approved the movie? The US president at the time. You think its a coincidence?
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This might be useful reading to start with:
Southern strategy - Wikipedia
Sixth Party System - Wikipedia
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Kooky said:
The same people who "corrupt"* government are the ones who will be most empowered by a limit on governmental powers, because these people will be the ones who set the limit on what the government can and can't do (and in fact, they have been doing that for some time already).

*) You can't really talk of corruption, in my opinion, when a government does exactly what it is supposed to do - namely, to support and enforce the agenda of the ruling class.
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What I talk of is limiting the power of the ruling class to use government against us.
 
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