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Left wingers in USA seem to be more imperialist fascists than right wingers nowadays

Lars

Lars

Member
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Lars said:
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
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You don't mean the voting system, that works fine. You mean the 2 party political system.
 
Lars

Lars

Member
exchemist said:
You don't mean the voting system, that works fine. You mean the 2 party political system.
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I literally mean the fact that two party voting system in USA that is controlled by lobbyists influence. They call "3rd party voting system", which is derogatory for political parties. But thats what USA need. Not this nonsense establishment of two party giant parties. Thats the problem with that country, is they think in extreme left or extreme right circles. Rather than a party they ideologically agree with, in both political and policies.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Lars said:
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.
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So you don't like the laws being passed by Republicans in many states?

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
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Who is this guy and why is he relevant?
 
Lars

Lars

Member
F1fan said:
So you don't like the laws being passed by Republicans in many states?


Who is this guy and why is he relevant?
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A guy who broke up with a terrible podcast on youtube. And seems to be fighting the established Democrats, in favor of 3rd party (which is derogatory name to begin with) since its parties, and not outsiders. But i like this guy
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Lars said:
I literally mean the fact that two party voting system in USA that is controlled by lobbyists influence. They call "3rd party voting system", which is derogatory for political parties. But thats what USA need. Not this nonsense establishment of two party giant parties. Thats the problem with that country, is they think in extreme left or extreme right circles. Rather than a party they ideologically agree with, in both political and policies.
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The money in politics is heavily pushed by conservatives. The Citizens United case is an example of what democrats don't want. Of course Democrats have to fund themselves;ves to be competitive, thus need to take lobbyist money. So try finding republicans who are willing to reform political fundraising.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Lars said:
A guy who broke up with a terrible podcast on youtube. And seems to be fighting the established Democrats, in favor of 3rd party (which is derogatory name to begin with) since its parties, and not outsiders. But i like this guy
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That is a reply that answers nothing. I still have no idea who he is or why he's relevant. There are plenty of loud mouths who don't need to be heard from.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

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Lars said:
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
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Both of the major political parties have had their share of problems, corruption, and similar issues. They're both products of the American political system, so they're definitely more alike than they are different. Also, there's a certain voting inertia in this country where most voters tend to default to the lesser of two evils, even if they don't like the person they're voting for. Their tendency is to vote against the person they hate even more. We don't really vote "for" anything as much as we're voting "against" something else. Along the same lines, it is often said that people don't vote out of love, they vote out of fear.

At this point, the system is so corrupted and the toxic ideals in our political culture have become so entrenched among the body politic that any kind of real change won't happen until the system collapses entirely. There's an air of stubbornness and headstrong intransigence which pervades the overall culture, and this will ultimately lead to nothing good.

Our country is going to hell in a handbasket, but at least we're enjoying the ride.
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Lars said:
I literally mean the fact that two party voting system in USA that is controlled by lobbyists influence. They call "3rd party voting system", which is derogatory for political parties. But thats what USA need. Not this nonsense establishment of two party giant parties. Thats the problem with that country, is they think in extreme left or extreme right circles. Rather than a party they ideologically agree with, in both political and policies.
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Yes, that's what I thought you meant. To my mind the big problem seems to be the uncontrolled use of money in US politics. There is an advertising arms race, the cost of which puts both parties in the pockets of corporate donors, when it comes to key policies on taxation and the economy.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
The title of this thread is misleading to what you are actually talking about.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Lars said:
This is not to say there isnt a fight to kill Democrats and Republicans of two party system voting. Since thats why USA political voting system is terrible. You have two options that is run by lobbyists. If you had parties such as "labour party (Social democrat)" Socialist part, left part, right party, religious party, anti immigration party.

To mention a few, this would be solved easily. But because of the corrupt authoritarian voting system that USA relies on, it encourages corrupt established rulings like this.

I honestly hope Jimmy Dore or that group can change that. The voting system is godawful there!
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Democrats are unrivaled as the poster child of hypocrisy.
 
Lars

Lars

Member
F1fan said:
The money in politics is heavily pushed by conservatives. The Citizens United case is an example of what democrats don't want. Of course Democrats have to fund themselves;ves to be competitive, thus need to take lobbyist money. So try finding republicans who are willing to reform political fundraising.
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Ah yeah, the boogey man of, they do it. They both are ****. Democrats and Republicans are both in on it.

Either case, this game is pretty much spot on that too
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Stevicus said:
Both of the major political parties have had their share of problems, corruption, and similar issues. They're both products of the American political system, so they're definitely more alike than they are different. Also, there's a certain voting inertia in this country where most voters tend to default to the lesser of two evils, even if they don't like the person they're voting for. Their tendency is to vote against the person they hate even more. We don't really vote "for" anything as much as we're voting "against" something else. Along the same lines, it is often said that people don't vote out of love, they vote out of fear.

At this point, the system is so corrupted and the toxic ideals in our political culture have become so entrenched among the body politic that any kind of real change won't happen until the system collapses entirely. There's an air of stubbornness and headstrong intransigence which pervades the overall culture, and this will ultimately lead to nothing good.

Our country is going to hell in a handbasket, but at least we're enjoying the ride.
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I think we are heading for some sort of collapse. The reset will have to hurt a significant number of people for the system to be understood and being flawed. Massive inflation might be enough, along with the loss of wealth from investments. Food prices are going up quite a bit, and while the middle class can absorb this the poor can't. The middle class is on the bubble and the poor are on the ropes.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Lars said:
Ah yeah, the boogey man of, they do it. They both are ****. Democrats and Republicans are both in on it.
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This is bogus. The Democrats are definitely on the correct side of rights, equality, and progress. No politics is perfect, but it is clear the GOP has devolved as a political party that has any ethics or cooperative motives. There are a few exceptions, but the GOP is working hard to drag down the USA right now oNLY because they are relying on a voting base that is poorly informed and highly divisive.

Either case, this game is pretty much spot on that too
0:50 - 2:21
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I think you need less YouTube in your life.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
Democrats are unrivaled as the poster child of hypocrisy.
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Give us some examples. And be sure to explain if the GOP is superior.

I ask so you have the chance to defend yourself as just bluffing with divisive rhetoric that hopes to cover for who you are really referring to which is Republicans.
 
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