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Question about judging God.

Spirit of Light

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I wonder about this, Why do some judge God when their own life is difficult?

Is it actually God who made their life difficult?

To be very clear, this is not a judgement by me toward those who do blame God for their trouble. That have to be between them and God :)
 

Redemptionsong

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I wonder about this, Why do some judge God when their own life is difficult?

Is it actually God who made their life difficult?

To be very clear, this is not a judgement by me toward those who do blame God for their trouble. That have to be between them and God :)
This is an interesting question, and one that ultimately reveals our own weaknesses, rather than those of God. I think it's natural for a frail human being (and we're all frail) to question the will of God, much as a child questions the decisions of a parent. But if a parent is truly loving, then their decisions are always for the best of the child. The problem is, a wilful child thinks they know best, and will baulk at, and oppose, good advice. God's correction can be difficult to accept, but is necessary if wayward behaviour is to be realigned with truth.

The story of Job, in the Bible, provides a great insight into the struggle for understanding. In his misery, Job, a man of faith, said,
'My kinsfolk have failed, and my familiar friends have forgotten me.
They that dwell in mine house, and my maids, count me for a stranger: I am an alien in their sight.
I called my servant, and he gave me no answer; I intreated him with my mouth.
My breath is strange to my wife, though I intreated for the children's sake of mine own body.
Yea, young children despised me; I arose, and they spake against me.
All my inward friends abhorred me; and they whom I loved are turned against me.'

There are times when the whole world seems to be against us, but the man of faith will always persevere with what he knows to be good. And who is good, but God?
 
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Unveiled Artist

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I wonder about this, Why do some judge God when their own life is difficult?

Is it actually God who made their life difficult?

To be very clear, this is not a judgement by me toward those who do blame God for their trouble. That have to be between them and God :)

Think of god being a parent. Children may get upset at their parent for hard times but that is normal. When they grow up ideally they learn lessons from their upbringing. To me things like being comfortable with ill feelings but knowing that judgement in it's place is a natural expression of one's difficult experiences.

If I believed in god i would hope God let's me be angry at him as a child to a parent. It's not that I wouldn't love him. It's that I would need help getting through a problem and blowing off stem to God is like crying with him

Judgement has its place. Unless you see God as not a parent/father type (which I'm more familiar) and believers suppress angry feelings from god, I believe it's a human thing to be angry.

Long as it's in the right place.

That's how I would see it. Depends on the definition of god's character.
 
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stvdv

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I wonder about this, Why do some judge God when their own life is difficult?
It's difficult to take responsibility for one's own mess, much easier to blame others, easiest to blame God (God won't blame you for blaming Him:))
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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I wonder about this, Why do some judge God when their own life is difficult?

Is it actually God who made their life difficult?
If God is in control (and exists at all), then yes: it would ultimately be God who made their life difficult.

Do you thank God for the good things in your life? Isn't that judging God as well?
 

Spirit of Light

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If God is in control (and exists at all), then yes: it would ultimately be God who made their life difficult.

Do you thank God for the good things in your life? Isn't that judging God as well?
Actually i thank Allah for both good and bad that happen to me in my life :) Because the good things is a blessing and the bad things is a wakup call and a lesson for me.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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The story of Job, in the Bible, provides a great insight into the struggle for understanding. In his misery, Job, a man of faith, said,
'My kinsfolk have failed, and my familiar friends have forgotten me.
They that dwell in mine house, and my maids, count me for a stranger: I am an alien in their sight.
I called my servant, and he gave me no answer; I intreated him with my mouth.
My breath is strange to my wife, though I intreated for the children's sake of mine own body.
Yea, young children despised me; I arose, and they spake against me.
All my inward friends abhorred me; and they whom I loved are turned against me.'
In the story of Job, Job was wrong.

God really had forsaken him. God handed Job over to Satan... and for no bigger reason than to settle a bet. Job's continued faith in God's goodness was misplaced.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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Actually i thank Allah for both good and bad that happen to me in my life :) Because the good things is a blessing and the bad things is a wakup call and a lesson for me.
Seems to me that this is still judging God. You've just decided to interpret the bad in your life as good.

Edit: thanking God implies judging God.
 

Spirit of Light

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Seems to me that this is still judging God. You've just decided to interpret the bad in your life as good.

Edit: thanking God implies judging God.
Is thanking someone for giving me more wisdom about my own being judgment of God?
or a thanks for teaching me about my own shortcomings? is it judgment?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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Is thanking someone for giving me more wisdom about my own being judgment of God?
Yes. You've judged God's actions - or what you perceive as God's actions - to be praiseworthy.

or a thanks for teaching me about my own shortcomings?
Not mutually exclusive things. Giving thanks implies judgment.
is it judgment?
Yes. Judging God or his actions to be good is most certainly judgment.
 

Spirit of Light

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Is thanking someone for giving me more wisdom about my own being judgment of God?
or a thanks for teaching me about my own shortcomings? is it judgment?
Yes. You've judged God's actions - or what you perceive as God's actions - to be praiseworthy.


Not mutually exclusive things. Giving thanks implies judgment.

Yes. Judging God or his actions to be good is most certainly judgment.
May it be that I have come to realizing that I accept both the blessing and the pain that I receive. No Judgment of God from my side
 

Gargovic Malkav

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So then every day, you judge Allah to be worthy of your thanks.

Withholding thanks can be a sign of judgment as well.
When put the way you do, it's impossible for him to not judge God unless he stops caring about Him.
Should he be indifferent about God, even though he identifies as a believer?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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Withholding thanks can be a sign of judgment as well.
When put the way you do, it's impossible for him to not judge God unless he stops caring about Him.
Yes, that's correct.

Should he be indifferent about God, even though he identifies as a believer?
I was more getting at the idea that it would be practically impossible to never judge, so maybe he could lighten up about it.
 

Redemptionsong

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In the story of Job, Job was wrong.

God really had forsaken him. God handed Job over to Satan... and for no bigger reason than to settle a bet. Job's continued faith in God's goodness was misplaced.
That's a humanist way of looking at it. The other is to recognise that a spiritual war is taking place. Those that stand squarely for the God of Truth will attract the greatest hate of the enemy.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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That's a humanist way of looking at it. The other is to recognise that a spiritual war is taking place. Those that stand squarely for the God of Truth will attract the greatest hate of the enemy.
But that's not the message of the story. Job "stood squarely for the God of Truth" and was fine: he was protected by God. The reason Job suffered misfortune was because Satan convinced God to drop that protection.

To use the metaphor of war: in the story of Job, God opened the fortress gates and let the enemy walk in unhindered.
 

Redemptionsong

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But that's not the message of the story. Job "stood squarely for the God of Truth" and was fine: he was protected by God. The reason Job suffered misfortune was because Satan convinced God to drop that protection.

To use the metaphor of war: in the story of Job, God opened the fortress gates and let the enemy walk in unhindered.

God knew Job's heart. This is why, after all Job's trials, God says to Eliphaz the Temanite, 'My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.' [Job 42:7] The truth of Job's heart is summed up in Job's own words, 'Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.' [Job 42:6]

There is consistency in the Word of God, and in Psalm 34:18 it says,
'The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.'
 
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