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Republicans take to mask wars as virus surges in red states

Should the federal government declare a nationwide mask mandate?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 25.9%
  • No

    Votes: 11 40.7%
  • Yes, but only in areas with high infection rates

    Votes: 5 18.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 11.1%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Total voters
    27

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Republicans take to mask wars as virus surges in red states (apnews.com)

The governors of FL and SC are threatening to withhold funding to schools with mask mandates.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Top Republicans are battling school districts in their own states’ urban, heavily Democratic areas over whether students should be required to mask up as they head back to school — reigniting ideological divides over mandates even as the latest coronavirus surge ravages the reddest, most unvaccinated parts of the nation.

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida has issued an executive order threatening to cut funding from school districts that defy a statewide ban on classroom mask mandates. He’s now suggesting his office could direct officials to withhold pay from superintendents who impose such rules anyway.

South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster is threatening to withhold funding to schools in his state’s capital of Columbia over masking rules, while Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has vowed to enforce a similar order against mask mandates — despite large school districts around the state, including Dallas and Austin, promising to go ahead with classroom face covering requirements.

Even the Republican gubernatorial candidate in the purple state of Virginia has decried school mask mandates in the name of parental rights.

The posture comes with some clear political incentives for Republicans. The party’s base has opposed mask rules for more than a year and long recoiled at the word “mandate.” Still, some within the GOP’s own ranks have begun to warn of the safety and political risks involved in making schools — and children’s health — the chief battleground for an ideological fight.

“It’s very visceral,” said Brendan Steinhauser, a Republican strategist in Texas. “We’re approaching this very tribalisticly, very angrily, very politically,” he said, adding that both sides are digging in “instead of trying to get together, I believe, at the most local level possible, and saying, ’Hey, let’s try and work out what’s best.’”

The issue has packed local school meetings and sparked heated exchanges. Video of a meeting in Tennessee’s Williamson County showed angry parents chanting “No more masks” and following mask supporters to the parking lot to shout obscenities. First-term U.S. Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., recently showed up to denounce masking rules approved by county school board members in his district, calling them “nothing short of psychological child abuse.”

It all comes as some Democrat-run states are moving in the opposite direction, reimposing masking rules for classrooms and other public spaces after easing them in recent months, when it seemed the pandemic might be waning.

In Florida, which has seen cases and hospitalizations rise sharply, some school districts are suing to oppose DeSantis’ order. Others, like Leon County, which includes the state capital of Tallahassee, plan to require students to wear masks regardless. Superintendent Rocky Hanna said in a letter to the governor that his district sought “the flexibility and the autonomy to make the decisions for our schools.”

“Unfortunately, it has become well-politicized,” Hanna said in announcing his decision, adding that if “things went sideways” as school begins anew “and heaven forbid we lost a child to this virus, I can’t just simply blame the governor of the state of Florida.”

Jasmine Burney-Clark, founder of Equal Ground Education Fund, which has spent months helping facilitate vaccinations for Floridians, said “school boards across the state are saying, ’We’re going to call your bluff, and we’re going to require mask mandates for our students.’”

“‘You’re not taking the lead so, if you want schools to open, here’s what you need to do,’” Burney-Clark said districts are telling DeSantis.

Some have noted the push for bans against mask mandates runs counter to the traditional Republican political ethos of limited government and “local control,” or leaving decision-making on things like community ordinances and schools up to officials in the area.

U.S. Sen. Bill Cassidy, R-La., said he opposes DeSantis’ orders against school mask mandates, saying on CNN Sunday, “The local official should have control here.”

One Republican governor has backtracked. Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchison called the state’s lawmakers into special session to consider loosening a ban on mask mandates he now says he regrets having signed in April. A judge has already temporarily blocked the ban.

But not all school districts are pushing mask mandates, either. After Kentucky Democratic Gov. Andy Beshear ordered masking rules in his state’s schools, some superintendents applauded. One offered a voicemail call to parents that blasted the governor as a “liberal lunatic” and added that “the professional opinion of your superintendent doesn’t matter. The opinion of your school board doesn’t matter.”

In Virginia, Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, argues that the CDC’s latest recommendations serve as a de facto mask mandate for schools since a state law passed in March requires following federal guidance. Republican gubernatorial candidate Glenn Youngkin has vowed not to mandate masks in schools if elected, saying, “This should be a decision that parents can make.”

Unlike DeSantis, Abbott and many other leading Republicans, Youngkin has prioritized his business experience as a former private equity manager more than his loyalty to former President Donald Trump — little surprise in a state President Joe Biden carried by 10 percentage points. Still, his comments show that mask opposition has grown beyond ardent pro-Trumpers.

Monmouth University polling released last week found that 73% of Republicans oppose bringing back masking and social distancing guidelines, while 85% of Democrats support doing so. Independents were more deeply divided, with 42% in support and 55% opposed.

“It’s expanded beyond the people you initially see at the Trump rallies,” Patrick Murray, Monmouth’s polling director, said of Republican mask opposition. But he also noted that so much of the party has now absorbed the former president’s message that “all of those people who were considered moderate Republicans in the past have become, on almost every issue now, nearly lockstep with whatever the Donald Trump position is.”

Support for masks in classrooms may be higher. A Gallup survey in late July found that 57% of parents with school-age children favor mask mandates for unvaccinated students — whose ranks dominate elementary schools because vaccines are only available for people age 12 and over.

A May poll by the RAND Corporation found that such attitudes break sharply along racial lines. Some 86% of Black parents, 78% of Hispanic parents and 89% of Asian parents said mask mandates for adults and children needed to be in place for them to feel safe in sending their children to school, compared with 53% of white parents who felt that way.

RAND senior policy researcher Heather Schwartz, the study’s lead author, said one possible reason for the differences could be that parents in rural areas, which tend to be whiter, are more likely to oppose anti-COVID measures. Another may be the virus having killed minority Americans at higher rates than whites, she said.

The same survey found that 26% of white parents and 29% of rural parents felt schools should fully return to normal this fall. Schwartz said some of those respondents wrote things like “the government doesn’t need to tell us what to do” in their responses.

“There’s a sort of general masking attitude that’s spilling over into schools,” Schwartz said, “rather than the reverse.”

The article notes a Gallup Poll in which 57% of parents support mask mandates, although the Republicans opposing mask mandates in schools say it should be the parents' decision to make and not forced upon them.

They seem to be digging in hard and pulling out all the stops to try to get their way.

Arizona's governor also declared a ban on mask mandates, but doesn't appear to be taking any action against schools which require masks. I've noticed some private businesses have reimplemented requirements for patrons to wear masks, but they're not really enforcing it that strictly.

How do you think this will play out? Should the federal government intervene and order the states to follow CDC guidelines, or should it be left to the states to decide?

Also, is it really "just the parents' decision" to make when it comes to sending their kids to school without masks? They're putting others at risk, not just themselves or their own children.

Some argue that masks aren't really that effective anyway, and that all of this is just "theater." Is there any truth to that? I know masks aren't completely foolproof or 100%, but they do help somewhat. They're not completely useless.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Some argue that masks aren't really that effective anyway, and that all of this is just "theater." Is there any truth to that? I know masks aren't completely foolproof or 100%, but they do help somewhat. They're not completely useless.

Refusing to wear a mask is purely a selfish act whether political or personal. My son in law's mother was just diagnosed with covid, she is in her eighties. She had done her part and was vaccinated, fortunately, she was sent home and is only suffering from flu like symptoms. Her 20yr old grand daughter lives with her and her husband and refuses vaccination. To refuse schools the right to demand students wear masks puts parents, siblings, at risk, and for what, just to make a political statement. I heard its so bad in Texas that the hospitals have asked for and approved for federal assistance because the hospitals are once again overwhelmed.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
No, the Federal government should not declare a nationwide mask mandate.
The governors who are prohibiting mask mandates are exposing their ineptitude for all to see.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
If there are mask wars, then I might end up joining the Dark Side.

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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Certainly the party of willful ignorance and selfish stupidity.
They love the death penalty, hate to do anything about global warming, throw obstacles and barriers up for the poor, believe healthcare is a privilege, insist a better life is a good choice and better work ethic away, and they'll do everything they can to not help immigrants and refugees fleeing for their lives.
Add in their abysmal failure of a covid response, and yeah Republicans are a party of death, a pro-death party, a party that just doesn't seem to care if America allows toxic substances in consumer products and known carcinogens in our food.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
According to a news channel I was watching one evening the effectiveness of cloths masks are 20%, 40% for medical and 95% for N95 masks. I don’t know if these percentages are accurate. It would seem if this is accurate, the cloth masks are not hardly helpful at all.
According to: Do cloth masks actually work? | MIT Medical
Remember, since the virus is spread through respiratory droplets, and since people are most contagious in the 48 hours before symptom onset, our cloth face coverings are meant to protect other people, not ourselves. And there is steadily accumulating evidence that cloth masks perform that function well, by containing respiratory droplets before they can be expelled into the air.

The above link referenced This Link
which stated:
The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

So to answer the poll question: NO
Since the majority of people walking around with mask are wearing the ineffective cloth mask which is only good for protecting others not oneself.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
So you don't believe we should all try and protect each other?
Not by mandating something that is ineffective in many cases. It is nothing more than a ineffective idea of: . "see we are doing something".
Does not, and I repeat, does not find a solution to the reson why people do not want to be vaccinated.
In addition this is an unenforceable, and probably unconsitutional idea.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Not by mandating something that is ineffective in many cases and unenforceable.
Didn't you just post the info showing that they are effective in protecting others? And yes, it is possible to enforce the mandates.

Nothing more than a ineffective method. "see we are doing something?. Does not, and I repeat, finding a soloution to the reson why people do not want to be vaccinated.
In addition this is an unenforceable, and probably unconsitutional idea.
How is it any more unconstitutional than mandates to wear shirts and shoes in public businesses?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Didn't you just post the info showing that they are effective in protecting others? And yes, it is possible to enforce the mandates.
Only from those that have Covid not oneself.


How is it any more unconstitutional than mandates to wear shirts and shoes in public businesses?
That is a private business, and one has a option of wearing a mask in their establishment if so required or not entering that business

You have not commented on the question" How are you going to enforce it?"
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Only from those that have Covid not oneself.
Right, and as other data shows, people can have and spread the virus and not even know it. That's why it's important to act as though you do have it and wear a mask.

That is a private business, and one has a option of wearing a mask in their establishment if so required or not entering that business
What places have you been talking about?

You have not commented on the question" How are you going to enforce it?"
The same way "No shoes, no shirt, no service" is enforced.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Right, and as other data shows, people can have and spread the virus and not even know it. That's why it's important to act as though you do have it and wear a mask.
Go right ahead and do so, I will not.


What places have you been talking about?
Any private business.

The same way "No shoes, no shirt, no service" is enforced.
Who is going to enforce a business to mandate wearing a mask?
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Not by mandating something that is ineffective in many cases. It is nothing more than a ineffective idea of: . "see we are doing something".
Does not, and I repeat, does not find a solution to the reson why people do not want to be vaccinated.
In addition this is an unenforceable, and probably unconsitutional idea.
Actually, the mandating of wearing a mask in public is very likely constitutional under the "promote the general welfare" clause in the preamble of the US Constitution, especially since wearing a mask protects others. Likewise, a governmental authority prohibiting the implementation of such safety measures would be unconstitutional, especially if such a mandate impedes the general welfare, resulting in a greater incidence of harm to a greater number of individuals. (greater spread of the virus)
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Actually, the mandating of wearing a mask in public is very likely constitutional under the "promote the general welfare" clause in the preamble of the US Constitution, especially since wearing a mask protects others. Likewise, a governmental authority prohibiting the implementation of such safety measures would be unconstitutional, especially if such a mandate impedes the general welfare, resulting in a greater incidence of harm to a greater number of individuals. (greater spread of the virus)
Well the only way this could be resolved whether it is constitutional or not is if they try.
Of course there is little or no way it could be enforced.
 
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