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Historicity of Jesus

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
That I did not say. I say this specifically about Jesus and the company he kept.
Ah! OK..... I acknowledge your point.

But I think that Northern Jewish peasants (there was no middle class), hard pressed for everyday funds and needs, probably didn't want to have to attend the Temple once a year, let alone three times. The Baptist was meeting Northern Jews on the East bank of the Jordan, the one route South, and offering them cleansing and redemption for nothing. No wonder he became popular.
Then they could go home with their savings, less any tips which they gave to the Baptist's disciples (which kept them going, maybe?).
Nothing changes..... Crowds would flock to him today if they could feel good for nowt. :)
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you are not an accepted scholar yet brought to the attention scholars who knew you were correct.

You would teach your realisation by going to each temples owner as rich men to teach occult temple pyramid science was again sacrificing life. To get support for your family.

As clouds are clouds as clouds that form where clouds form and clouds came out of volcanoes.

Christ is that title not immaculate but gases sacrificed burnt forms.

So if you said my DNA life cell body attacked witnessed stigmata had been forecast before by wise men who taught against pyramid temple by Moses review then you would have their support.

Jewish history.

So Christ was being changed again so began Jewish Christian movement of human life sacrificed. Lots of humans were hurt not just one man.

Which you ignore.

Instead of knowing what form of reactive science was applied by temple and pyramid your claim is that in knowing the sacrifice you can work out the technology.

As you have some idea it resources power differently to power plant today. Yet both used earth God mass dust conversions.

Yet no human bio life was the technology.

As a human not sacrificed is just healthy.

Wonder why science destroys life on earth we see it everyday occurring.
 

Alex22

Member
He might have existed, but the the supernatural stories like rising from the dead and walking on water are absurd and were probably invented by his followers.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
He might have existed, but the the supernatural stories like rising from the dead and walking on water are absurd and were probably invented by his followers.
Science inferred status of preaching to humans owning no scientific wisdom. Did not understand scientific thesis. Strange language.

Why did we get sacrificed teacher man and not as bad as you. You must be very holy to be so loving. Look at your suffering review......

I walk on water as water is inside God stone the seal.

It was revealed...emptying of tomb but some sin holes were still full of water. Miracle human still alive thinking.

Thesis. Man not in first earth conversion in thoughts of theism. Mountain pyramid was gods conversion only mass. Not in vision.

Attacks life.

Thinks today from sun via open channel non stop energy controlled by earth contacts...immaculate gas natural light streaming. That advice fallout radiation gas burning to ground where machine strings begin hot melt.

Metal is underground cold fused correct natural pressures. Man puts machine underground copying lies.

Between sun to machine body no human is envisioned in thesis either.

Modern reason no human is not because you yet did not exist in reaction because human not in vision advice was self combusted.

Not origin of the thesis reason human science in other words.

Teaching of human image vision theisms is first. Man only safe due to images in clouds reason.

Muslim man once honoured reasons of Jesus self man who had survived combustion event lived after. Didn't need to blow self up to be thought a holy man image in heavens clouds with father of science.

Reason new nuclear AI communal spirituality mind taught interfered with by modern day science. Conscious mind of man's spirituality gone. His used holy memories agreements.

Science now looking at self man theist of science blowing self and brothers and sisters claiming holy act is a human science self possessed.

Theism to think thought for evil as science.

Just as father told me.

Humans are first Virgin's before sex and are young by body status genesis genetic to start having sex. Body status medical Idealised in healing.

Irradiation brain effect chemical changes human bodies mature early. Earlier sexual ideas begin in children under age.

Previously notified and reasoned. Young children not actually mature enough to tend to babies welfare advice.

Life records biological is sex. Recordings feedback heavens is not sex is just a recorded image.

Jesus effect did not own sexual provocation. Humans bodies did as chemistry changed biologically.

The advice.

Muslim advice men affected started having early age sex.

Today men have sex with little children the proof of science causes.

Reason correctly with. Loving heart and mind gets correct human understanding.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
My father also said father baby my father and brother invented science.

My female father memories more spiritual today.

As female body owns life continuance as holy life. Mother to baby son.

Haw king said to set alight earth gases.

Immaculate one gas that is actively burning.

Science themes open loop theory channel.

Earth O a fixed body is no loop. Earths vacuum voids shuts off immaculate burning or else whole one same atmosphere would ignite.

Science says wants it kept open as loop theory. Why Stephen haw King gave his warning sacrificed man
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Father advice yesterday showed me vision in out of space vacuum voiding earths heavens.

O cold space opening due to increased earth UFO heat seen first.
+
Shut off cooling. Symbolic vision.

Came together at a point of shut off.

Why men in visionary science tried to invent it to keep opened not as + but O gods form to make gases burning stop to invent a cause theirselves by science as immaculate non sacrificed heavens.

As a whole theories one state.

When you theory one as a state you mean to cause one state only. The highest conscious notification.

Yet burning came first.

Father said no man is God O.

Thesis reaction is inside built machine only.

Theists theories everything first not inside of the machine lies.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
He might have existed, but the the supernatural stories like rising from the dead and walking on water are absurd and were probably invented by his followers.
Yes, and that's the only kinds of events that we have.
 
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Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
It is true to its purpose, to spread the 'good news' that the crucified Jesus was raised from death to life, what God did for Jesus, and that our salvation is through Christ. That is the confession of faith, conveyed within narrative.
How is it good news if it’s not historical?
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
True but he doesn’t lobby for better conditions or anything. He is just there to resemble a less verbose Socrates.
Yes, leading us straight to the hole in the middle of Christianity, the complete absence of a reason why it was necessary for Jesus to die.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Science human men agreed theories is a liar.

Science is practiced and chosen.

Knowing completely informed that life will be sacrificed.

He thinks it as the self. A man.

Yet women animals garden all get removed. Irradiated sacrificed.

His thesis liar I am cell human held body form scattered in the beast life animals. By thesis.

Animals will inherit life my own I will be saved from living. Never wanted to be incarnate actually. Why he said a self consuming body sun time shifted life.

I am however not the beast. Animals.

Then Satanists claiming the beast by aliens argue claiming they are from beast to self by evolution.

So his brother then says evolution is a long time. Yes he says I want the long count.

He was proven wrong and knows he was as everything changes. Atmospheric life support one same body.

So his brother said garden nature disappeared consumed so did animals and humans as proof he lied.

Theist says empty space infinite owns no measure so it is holy. Cooling function and knew.

Says today comparing lying so O mass is filled in infinite.

Imagine how earth God as a long count resource goes for infinity.

Yet when he envisions infinite he sees everything he looks at. A huge space empty reality lots of held mass that he says is infinity by comparison.

Earth just one mass.

Yet it is his thesis infinite energy forever as planet Earth. Yet he wants it consumed as a resource back to his zero model by formula.

Equals he says means equals.

Seeing none of you rationally are studying Christ consciousness like you said you were in modern day machinery alien belief a machine by metal invented a human...

To state reasons why I preached earth status Christ consciousness as no man is God preaching.

Then father has told you his memories via your living life today.

Showing me what liars you all are.

Comparing by false ideals is a self contradiction non want of self presence via thinking first

Then you build the mechanism that you agree will cause it.

Life then begins to die unnaturally like we see.

Men in science says evolution causes a smaller colder sun mass what he theories as a science model.

His brother said our heavens gas burning natural light supports life what has it got to do with how big or small a sun is.

Why you were taught about lying human men sun theists using evolution status against survival.

Reasoning places data inferred. A very large sun was first. Consumed it is smaller but owns exactly the same equal energy. The basis of lying science theism.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Father also said men's ∆^v thesis about O God earth mass being eternal.

Is thought only.

O mass owning no infinite space sits eternally in space within its womb. Never going anywhere should remain that state only evolving colder.

Men's theory lying. Infinite filled in resource body.

Men's non arguable First science thesis.

Says infinite resource is an eternal resource then lies.

I want one whole earth body mass the infinite removed O in one reaction to stream into my machine reaction.

So my intention machine is to open a radiation hole in my reaction. As I theory separately about eternal infinite and God. Body mass in space the resource.

I expected O whole earth to disappear by theory time shift as earth itself should have disappeared to equals the equals infinite empty space first pondered thoughts.

Time shift of a mass.

Earth never went anywhere.

Instead hole nose point thesis the pyramid model did v invent emptiness by sin holes in earth.

Thesis is ^vreversed. Reversal of a mountain.

Some had full water wells others became just holes. Sin X K constant old science.

Proving science by machine did it as sin of man in science. Congratulations to prove yes you did it man in science.

Saying I need proof I don't believe in the bible yet read its data.

What lying is in human reality.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
He’s saying Christianity is a fraud. Do we believe that part?
I dug up a collection of references to Jesus from 'Origen against Celsus'

I could have added a few more..........
I do wish Celsus' works had survived, but Origen did a fine job for us..... I bet he'd be kicking himself for that! :)

Celcus
These disciples, amounting to "ten boatmen and a couple of tax collectors" were not respectable

Celcus (from Origen)
"Jesus having gathered around him ten or eleven persons of notorious character, the very wickedest of tax-gatherers and sailors, fled in company with them from place to place, and obtained his living in a shameful and importunate manner."

Origen
The Lebes also, who was a follower of Jesus, may have been a tax-gatherer; but he was not of the number of the apostles,

Origen
And since Celsus has termed the apostles of Jesus men of infamous notoriety, saying that they were tax-gatherers and sailors of the vilest character

Celcus' Jewish Witness, (by Origen)
 
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