Jesus is God
1. John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
2. Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”
3. John 17:21 “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
4. John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“
5. Colossians 2:9-10 “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.“
6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“
7. John 5:18 “This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.“
8. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.“
9. John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.“
10. 1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.“
11. John 8:57-58 “The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”
12. John 8:22-24 “This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?” But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am He, you will indeed die in your sins.”
13. John 13:18-19 “I am not referring to all of you; I know those I have chosen. But this is to fulfill this passage of Scripture: ‘He who shared my bread has turned against me.’ “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.
I do not have time to go through this list right now, but some of these are verses I responded to before, when I explained why they DO NOT MEAN that Jesus is God. You can go on believing whatever you want to believe but that won't make Jesus into God.
Trailblazer said: There are so many reasons
that Jesus cannot be God and I already posted some of the many verses to this Christian a few months ago.
Samtonga43 said:
1.
Matthew 1:23
2.
Mark 2:5-7
3.
John 1:1
4.
John 5:18
5.
John 20:27-29
6.
Philippians 2:5-7
7.
Colossians 1:15
8.
Colossians 2:9
9.
2 Peter 1:1
10.
Hebrews 1:3
(Read all in context, of course).
You cannot avoid it, Tb. You can quibble about what these passages might mean, but there is a pattern here of claims about Jesus that could
only be true of God.
Trailblazer said: I guess you really wanted to make a lot of work for me, but you only ended up
disproving that Jesus was God.
1.
Matthew 1:23
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Jesus was “God with us” because He was a Manifestation of God and the Spirit of God with us, but He was not God in the flesh.
“The Christian equivalent to the Bahá'í concept of Manifestation is the concept of
incarnation. The word to incarnate means 'to embody in flesh or 'to assume, or exist in, a bodily (esp. a human) form (
Oxford English Dictionary). From a Bahá'í point of view, the important question regarding the subject of incarnation is, what does Jesus incarnate? Bahá'ís can certainly say that Jesus incarnated Gods attributes, in the sense that in Jesus, Gods attributes were perfectly reflected and expressed.
[4] The Bahá'í scriptures, however, reject the belief that the ineffable essence of the Divinity was ever perfectly and completely contained in a single human body, because the Bahá'í scriptures emphasize the omnipresence and transcendence of the essence of God. "
Jesus Christ in the Bahá'í Writings
2.
Mark 2:5-7
5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
The scribes were saying that only God can forgive sins so they thought it was blasphemy for Jesus to say that He could forgive sins. That does not mean Jesus was God, not even in the ball park.
3.
John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 refers to God, not to Jesus.
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Those verses are about God, not about Jesus. All things were made through God since God created the heavens and the earth.
The Holy Spirit and the Word are the appearance of God. The Spirit and the Word mean the divine perfections that appeared in Jesus Christ, and these perfections were with God. The Word does not mean the body of Jesus but rather the divine perfections manifested in Jesus. Jesus was like a clear mirror and the divine perfections were visible and apparent in this mirror. That is why
Colossians 1:15 says “Who is the
image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” Jesus was a mirror image of God, but an image is not what it reflects.
4.
John 5:18
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Jews thought that Jesus was claiming to be God because Jesus said that God was His Father, but being the Son of God does not mean Jesus was God. It means that Jesus is
not God.
5.
John 20:27-29
27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
That is a flimsy attempt to say Jesus was God if I have ever seen one! Just because Thomas said “My Lord and my God” that does not mean Jesus was God! If you cannot figure out why that does not prove anything, then you need a course in logical proofs.
6.
Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Jesus was in the “form of God” and that means Jesus was
not God, because a form is not what it is a form of.
7.
Colossians 1:15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Jesus was in the “the image of God” and that means Jesus was
not God, because an image is not what it is an image of.
8.
Colossians 2:9
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
ESV For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NIV For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
The Bible says that God is sprit so God cannot dwell in bodily form! Besides that all of God could not “dwell” in a man!
9.
2 Peter 1:1
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
This is another verse that disproves Jesus being God. It says “God
and our Saviour Jesus Christ.” It does not say “God our Saviour Jesus Christ.” That shows that God is
separate from Jesus, which means Jesus
cannot BE God.
10.
Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Again, if Jesus was “the express image is God” that means Jesus was
not God, because an image is not equivalent to what it is an image of.
