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A Serial Killer's Mother

Take the morning after pill?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 58.3%

  • No

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Total voters
    12
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Let's say you are a woman who had just become pregnant. We are still in the early stages of this pregnancy, so you could take the morning after pill to abort this pregnancy.

Now, imagine that you could somehow know the future of this potential child and what they would do with their lives. You knew they would grow up to become a serial killer that made the green river killer, Ted Bundy, and Wesley Alan Dodd look tame by comparison. In this hypothetical world, your ability to see this potential child's future is 100% accurate.

Would you take that morning after pill, or allow this potential child to grow up and do what you knew all along that they would do?
 
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amorphous_constellation

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
I have to wonder if this question had been asked before by some theologian or philosopher in history, likely it had. I suppose one argument that might be put forth, is that God allowed those who maimed and crucified Jesus to be born and nursed to become what they became. So they might argue that it is God's will that all be born. Another position that collides into this is the Jungian position, I think, where good and evil arise in the individual sometime after development : depending on their choice of influences. So that might not allow predictability ?

My guess is that those who might say no, would argue that what you say is impossible, possibly because of this Jungian idea and because of a 'divine will of creation' idea. So that would be ducking out of your hypothetical scenario. However, to me it might get a degree more tangible if genes might show some kind of relevant information, and then of course comes the gene editing situation, where perhaps you might engineer people to be more docile . Not saying you can, but what if you can
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
ideogenous_mover said:
I have to wonder if this question had been asked before by some theologian or philosopher in history, likely it had. I suppose one argument that might be put forth, is that God allowed those who maimed and crucified Jesus to be born and nursed to become what they became. So they might argue that it is God's will that all be born. Another position that collides into this is the Jungian position, I think, where good and evil arise in the individual sometime after development : depending on their choice of influences. So that might not allow predictability ?

My guess is that those who might say no, would argue that what you say is impossible, possibly because of this Jungian idea and because of a 'divine will of creation' idea. So that would be ducking out of your hypothetical scenario. However, to me it might get a degree more tangible if genes might show some kind of relevant information, and then of course comes the gene editing situation, where perhaps you might engineer people to be more docile . Not saying you can, but what if you can
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Some interesting thoughts... The question is very straight forward, though. :D

Even if god allowed for the people who crucified Jesus to live and carry out their fates, would you allow your potential child who would definitely kill many many innocent people to be born into the world and do what you knew they were going to do? It's inevitable, in this scenario. :)
 
Gargovic Malkav

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
If yes, it would be a faith based decision, as the child never had a chance to truly show how evil or dangerous he/she is and people might judge me for being presumptuous.
And I myself might feel responsible for killing my own child while it was still innocent.
If no, people might judge me if they found out I knew all along and I might feel responsible for unleashing a monster into the world.

I am not sure which one is the lesser evil.
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Gargovic Malkav said:
If yes, it would be a faith based decision, as the child never had a chance to truly show how evil or dangerous he/she is and people might judge me for being presumptuous.
And I myself might feel responsible for killing my own child while it was still innocent.
If no, people might judge me if they found out I knew all along and I might feel responsible for unleashing a monster into the world.

I am not sure which one is the lesser evil.
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Like I said, in this scenario it is 100% certain that this potential child would absolutely become a serial killer. Right now, it is a fertilized egg and nothing more. :)
 
crossfire

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Morning after pill will not abort an established pregnancy. It will help to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus (which is when pregnancy occurs,) or it will help to delay ovulation if it has not yet occurred. If you are already pregnant, taking it ain't gonna change things.
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
crossfire said:
Morning after pill will not abort an established pregnancy. It will help to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus (which is when pregnancy occurs,) or it will help to delay ovulation if it has not yet occurred.
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Oh! Good to know. Thank you. :)

Would you take the morning after pill to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting into the uterus if you knew it would prevent a serial killer from being born into the world? 100% chance of happening in this scenario.
 
crossfire

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
SigurdReginson said:
Oh! Good to know. Thank you. :)

Would you take the morning after pill to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting into the uterus if you knew it would prevent a serial killer from being born into the world? 100% chance of happening in this scenario.
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I would absolutely take the hormone pill to prevent ANY fertilized egg from implanting in my uterus. (I'm NOT doing pregnancy and childbirth again!)
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
SigurdReginson said:
Let's say you are a woman who had just become pregnant. We are still in the early stages of this pregnancy, so you could take the morning after pill to abort this pregnancy.

Now, imagine that you could somehow know the future of this potential child and what they would do with their lives. You knew they would grow up to become a serial killer that made the green river killer, Ted Bundy, and Wesley Alan Dodd look tame by comparison. In this hypothetical world, your ability to see this potential child's future is 100% accurate.

Would you take that morning after pill, or allow this potential child to grow up and do what you knew all along that they would do?
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In reading this, I am reminded of several anti-abortion commercials that used to run on TV (perhaps there are more recent versions that still run, I do not know). In these commercials there is an actor that is a fireman, a nurse or something like that (it has been a while, I do not remember those details) that is there to help others. They say something like there mother considered abortion but didn't. We are to see that in disregarding abortion this person became someone that saved the lives of others.

That this has happened is certainly a good thing, but as an argument against abortion, I found it meaningless. There is also a chance that children born to women that had decided against abortion could grow up to be burglars, killers, the next Stalin, etc.

I do not support abortion in general and am male, but given the particular circumstances of this scenario, I would take the pill.
 
J

Justanatheist

Well-Known Member
I answered no, because I am assuming that you have no idea of what the consequences of not having the child would be, as a hypothetical what if this child was to of produced the scientist who cured cancer? What if one of the people the child killed was actually a worse serial killer than the child?
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
SigurdReginson said:
Some interesting thoughts... The question is very straight forward, though. :D

Even if god allowed for the people who crucified Jesus to live and carry out their fates, would you allow your potential child who would definitely kill many many innocent people to be born into the world and do what you knew they were going to do? It's inevitable, in this scenario. :)
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Drive by! ;)

No to the bold. Since we know the future of the child we also know the future of those killed. For 2 of them the following is the case. One will become the next Hitler and the other will invent the cure for cancer in general. Now what? :D
 
Brian2

Brian2

Veteran Member
SigurdReginson said:
Let's say you are a woman who had just become pregnant. We are still in the early stages of this pregnancy, so you could take the morning after pill to abort this pregnancy.

Now, imagine that you could somehow know the future of this potential child and what they would do with their lives. You knew they would grow up to become a serial killer that made the green river killer, Ted Bundy, and Wesley Alan Dodd look tame by comparison. In this hypothetical world, your ability to see this potential child's future is 100% accurate.

Would you take that morning after pill, or allow this potential child to grow up and do what you knew all along that they would do?
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I would say that the Biblical position would be not to do something wrong so that something good might come from it.
 
Gargovic Malkav

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
SigurdReginson said:
A fertilized egg is a child? Interesting... What does that mean when women flush fertilized eggs out of their systems naturally when they have their periods?
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In a sense, yes.

The second question, it'll result in a natural abortion I guess.
But then again, @crossfire 's point made me think again about the definition of pregnancy.

Besides this I take the capriciousness of my mind into account as well.
So even when something is initially clear and obvious to me, doubt can easily arise simply be overthinking things or by experiencing the pressure of other people's opinions and desires.

So I think this scenario is so hypothetical that it's kind of impossible for me to come with an answer I would consider realistic.
 
crossfire

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
LOL.
The Morning After Pill Does Not Cause Abortions, natural or unnatural. It works by preventing a pregnancy--either by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus (just like an IUD,) or by preventing conception by delaying ovulation (like birth control pills prevent ovulation.)
 
Gargovic Malkav

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
crossfire said:
LOL.
The Morning After Pill Does Not Cause Abortions, natural or unnatural. It works by preventing a pregnancy--either by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus (just like an IUD,) or by preventing conception by delaying ovulation (like birth control pills prevent ovulation.)
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As you may see I am not well informed on the subject.:oops:
We covered this in school but that was a long time ago, and I have not been in a situation where this knowledge is really necessary, so yeah..

I am confused about the OP's question though, because the question speaks of pregnancy.
But I suppose a morning after pill would make no difference when one is already pregnant...
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
SigurdReginson said:
Let's say you are a woman who had just become pregnant. We are still in the early stages of this pregnancy, so you could take the morning after pill to abort this pregnancy.

Now, imagine that you could somehow know the future of this potential child and what they would do with their lives. You knew they would grow up to become a serial killer that made the green river killer, Ted Bundy, and Wesley Alan Dodd look tame by comparison. In this hypothetical world, your ability to see this potential child's future is 100% accurate.

Would you take that morning after pill, or allow this potential child to grow up and do what you knew all along that they would do?
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I'm not sure I accept the implicit premise in this scenario: that the only way to prevent the child from becoming a serial killer is not to have the child at all.

Presumably, this vision of the future would also show the events and things in the child's life that were instrumental in guiding them to be a murderer. Why wouldn't the parent decide to have the child and just guide them along a different path? Get them into counseling early, maybe. Or arrange for them to avoid meeting the person who steered them to murder.
 
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