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A little sadness beneath the smile and happiness

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I don't interact with my family in a deep fashion. They exist, they try to help me in a lot of ways, but they don't want to go down that rabbit-hole of deep conversation. Subjects like gender, dating, and many other subjects, are considered taboo and off-limits to speak with them about. Subjects that are okay are religion, but only if it's their religion of Christianity, food, education, the weather, etc - the safer subjects.

I like posting on RF because I feel I get to talk about a great deal more. Lately, RF has made me a little lonely, though. You'd think that being on a public forum with public interaction would fill the emotional need for people. But it doesn't. The public debates, the fun banter in the Games forum, it just doesn't do much for me where I'd classify it as personal relationships and "social interaction". My self esteem is a little low and I've been looking for real friends who care about what I have to say, and not because it's presented in a fast-moving smorgasbord of posts to address and gets addressed as a result of being part of the queue. Making friendship is a bit difficult for me as well, because I have mood swings sometimes, though I don't mean anything by them, and I can often appear distant at first as a form of testing the waters. In regards to me testing the waters, I don't always do it completely on purpose, I think I'm just a little insecure and am testing out whether me and them are on the same page. And keeping my guard up.

I've thought of joining a real life support group. But there's a problem there. I'm not feeling real good about myself and getting out in the public right now, due to me being insecure about how androgynous I sometimes look right now as I'm in the middle of transitioning.

Something I have noticed though, is that it's possible, and I'm not saying for sure - that public RF posting makes me a bit lonelier. The Debates drain my energy, without me feeling a sense of satisfaction from them due to all the misinterpretations that happen, even in cases where other people, and myself, seem to be making candid posts explaining things. It's just like things kind of end up a bigger mess than they started, by the end of the Debate.

As for the Games forum, there is some friendliness to be had, but I'm not a huge fan of banter. I actually do use it, but it's more something I learned after I started RF and read the room and followed suit, rather than something I had prior to the forums. So I just have mixed feelings about it. Maybe I do like banter and one-two-punch humor, maybe I don't.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
I don't interact with my family in a deep fashion. They exist, they try to help me in a lot of ways, but they don't want to go down that rabbit-hole of deep conversation. Subjects like gender, dating, and many other subjects, are considered taboo and off-limits to speak with them about. Subjects that are okay are religion, but only if it's their religion of Christianity, food, education, the weather, etc - the safer subjects.

I like posting on RF because I feel I get to talk about a great deal more. Lately, RF has made me a little lonely, though. You'd think that being on a public forum with public interaction would fill the emotional need for people. But it doesn't. The public debates, the fun banter in the Games forum, it just doesn't do much for me where I'd classify it as personal relationships and "social interaction". My self esteem is a little low and I've been looking for real friends who care about what I have to say, and not because it's presented in a fast-moving smorgasbord of posts to address and gets addressed as a result of being part of the queue. Making friendship is a bit difficult for me as well, because I have mood swings sometimes, though I don't mean anything by them, and I can often appear distant at first as a form of testing the waters. In regards to me testing the waters, I don't always do it completely on purpose, I think I'm just a little insecure and am testing out whether me and them are on the same page. And keeping my guard up.

I've thought of joining a real life support group. But there's a problem there. I'm not feeling real good about myself and getting out in the public right now, due to me being insecure about how androgynous I sometimes look right now as I'm in the middle of transitioning.

Something I have noticed though, is that it's possible, and I'm not saying for sure - that public RF posting makes me a bit lonelier. The Debates drain my energy, without me feeling a sense of satisfaction from them due to all the misinterpretations that happen, even in cases where other people, and myself, seem to be making candid posts explaining things. It's just like things kind of end up a bigger mess than they started, by the end of the Debate.

As for the Games forum, there is some friendliness to be had, but I'm not a huge fan of banter. I actually do use it, but it's more something I learned after I started RF and read the room and followed suit, rather than something I had prior to the forums. So I just have mixed feelings about it. Maybe I do like banter and one-two-punch humor, maybe I don't.
Howzabout having private "Conversations" - with up to 5 folk. Could that be good to do? (If you don't already, duh)
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
I don't interact with my family in a deep fashion. They exist, they try to help me in a lot of ways, but they don't want to go down that rabbit-hole of deep conversation. Subjects like gender, dating, and many other subjects, are considered taboo and off-limits to speak with them about. Subjects that are okay are religion, but only if it's their religion of Christianity, food, education, the weather, etc - the safer subjects.
I can totally relate to that, because it's the exact same with my family. However, what I've found is that it's possible to still have deep interactions with them on other subjects (mostly family-related topics). It took a bit of effort on my part to get there, but it was worth it.

I like posting on RF because I feel I get to talk about a great deal more. Lately, RF has made me a little lonely, though. You'd think that being on a public forum with public interaction would fill the emotional need for people. But it doesn't. The public debates, the fun banter in the Games forum, it just doesn't do much for me where I'd classify it as personal relationships and "social interaction". My self esteem is a little low and I've been looking for real friends who care about what I have to say, and not because it's presented in a fast-moving smorgasbord of posts to address and gets addressed as a result of being part of the queue. Making friendship is a bit difficult for me as well, because I have mood swings sometimes, though I don't mean anything by them, and I can often appear distant at first as a form of testing the waters. In regards to me testing the waters, I don't always do it completely on purpose, I think I'm just a little insecure and am testing out whether me and them are on the same page. And keeping my guard up.
Since I don't look for friends online, that's difficult for me to relate to. I'm pretty extroverted and as such, I haven't had much trouble making friends IRL.

I've thought of joining a real life support group. But there's a problem there. I'm not feeling real good about myself and getting out in the public right now, due to me being insecure about how androgynous I sometimes look right now as I'm in the middle of transitioning.
Isn't that pretty much what support groups are for though? If you're not feeling good about yourself and are going through esteem issues, a support group might be just what you need.

Also, have you considered LGBTQ-specific organizations and groups? Not only would they be a good place to make friends, they could also provide you opportunities to do good things in the world (e.g., provide support to LGBTQ youth).

Something I have noticed though, is that it's possible, and I'm not saying for sure - that public RF posting makes me a bit lonelier. The Debates drain my energy, without me feeling a sense of satisfaction from them due to all the misinterpretations that happen, even in cases where other people, and myself, seem to be making candid posts explaining things. It's just like things kind of end up a bigger mess than they started, by the end of the Debate.

As for the Games forum, there is some friendliness to be had, but I'm not a huge fan of banter. I actually do use it, but it's more something I learned after I started RF and read the room and followed suit, rather than something I had prior to the forums. So I just have mixed feelings about it. Maybe I do like banter and one-two-punch humor, maybe I don't.
Personally, the main thing I struggle with in places like RF is a tendency to dismiss groups of people as being....well.....just not very intelligent. While sometimes I think that's justified, other times I later find out that a person has mental health issues (something that seems to be increasingly common on message boards), isn't an English-first speaker, or is...for lack of a better way to put it....kinda pretending to be stupid as to avoid admitting to losing a debate.

So what I usually do when I reach a point where this tendency starts to affect how I post, I take a long break from the forum. It serves as a sort of mental reset, and hopefully allows time for new members to join. However, lately it seems that isn't happening as much as forums and message boards continue to decline in popularity.

Anyways, good luck! :)
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
If you mean PM group conversations of sorts, I am familiar with them, I'm pretty sure. I just don't have 5 people to probably interact with.
Yeah I meant that. Doesn't have to be 5 of course. It's quality not quantity! Twas just a thought. :)
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Do you have any hobbies that you could meet people that do the same?

Gaming. Digital art. Programming but the programming community is sometimes a little over the head, even for me. Gaming communities are okay, but there are some ways they can be toxic, too.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Forum life can be fun, you learn different perspectives that you never considered before, and as you say, you can have deep “conversations” with people from all over the world in a way you might not with your social circle or family, offline. But, forums, social media, etc can only lead so far. I’m not as active as I used to be mainly because the longer we spend online, the less we are working to improve our lives. You can’t be two places at one time. I can’t be volunteering somewhere, meeting friends, chatting with my husband and at the same time, focused on this forum, for one example.

I used to turn to forum life whenever I’d break up with a guy to soothe a hurt or give me a dopamine hit, but over time, I needed to sort out real issues that were impacting my life. In other words, forum life should be fun and can be enlightening as we learn new things, but it shouldn’t be an escape from something going on in our lives that we want to avoid.

Not saying you’re doing this, but I’ve used it as that in the past and I felt empty over time. I didn’t expect to share all that, but if it helps just one person not become “addicted” to social media, I’ll consider it worth it.

What drew me away? My faith, resolving issues with my dad, started a new job a few years ago, developed new friendships, and getting married. Not necessarily in that order but it all worked together to fulfill me, satiate me. We all yearn to be filled up, whole...satiated. Unfortunately, forum life won’t fulfill us in a way that “real life” will. And sometimes it’s okay to feel alone, feel the aloneness which is also part of being human. Our culture obsesses over staying so busy and that’s not healthy, either.

Do you meditate? Keep a diary/journal? That is a great way to collect your thoughts and stay regimented about it so that you have that me time that we all need. My grandmother used to say “There’s nothing a good cup of hot tea and silence cant fix.” Silence can be uncomfortable, until it isn’t.

Hope this helps. :heart:
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
As a side thought, forum life and social media can start to become like a drug...you need more of it to feel that elusive first “high.” We’re all a part of the digital world and while it has its pluses, there is a definite dark side.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
As a side thought, forum life and social media can start to become like a drug...you need more of it to feel that elusive first “high.” We’re all a part of the digital world and while it has its pluses, there is a definite dark side.

I quit social media because of this, RF is the closest thing to it I use anymore. It’s also because I mainly communicate through typing; and the sorts of posts I would make on social media were largely ****posting and it started to blend with how I spoke when not on media: it was not good.
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
Sometimes RF makes me feel a little lonely, too. I'm not sure why. Maybe because in some cases, while I've had many great conversations here, things are still pretty anonymous. I can spend a considerable amount of time talking on the forums, and realize that the folks behind the avatars are still basically strangers.

Saturdays are the worst. Saturday is a poopy day for me, and RF tends to be much quieter. Its a reminder that many of you fine people are out having fun, while I'm stuck indoors. That makes me lonely, too.

I'll say the debate sections sometimes gives me gas. If I'm feeling less than stellar, I usually just avoid it.

But there's another truth, that even if I wasn't on RF, that bit of loneliness would still get me from time to time. I think its just a piece that some of us carry. I am not sure why that is, but in a way, I'm thankful for it. If it wasn't there, I don't think I'd ever have learned to look at things any deeper, so to speak.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Gaming. Digital art. Programming but the programming community is sometimes a little over the head, even for me. Gaming communities are okay, but there are some ways they can be toxic, too.

My city does art on the streets the first friday of every month, maybe you can look into something like that. Something not forum based where you can let off steam by talking to people about a mutually liked subject.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I quit social media because of this, RF is the closest thing to it I use anymore. It’s also because I mainly communicate through typing; and the sorts of posts I would make on social media were largely ****posting and it started to blend with how I spoke when not on media: it was not good.
It all starts to blur haha :glomp:We’re all like this, to some level. I used to be addicted, even to this forum when I first joined. My grandmother died then, I was serial dating. The forum soothed my soul for a while until it didn’t. Then I had to get real with what I wanted out of life and all that fun stuff. But what I DO love about RF and social media is the ability to relate to people in a way that is meaningful in ways that offline conversations don’t offer. Not going to walk up to a stranger and say hey, want to have a debate about existentialism? Suppose I could, but...:tearsofjoy:
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Gaming. Digital art. Programming but the programming community is sometimes a little over the head, even for me. Gaming communities are okay, but there are some ways they can be toxic, too.

Have you tried befriending people online and then meeting up in person afterward?

I made my best friend via Reddit, and almost my whole circle of friends is comprised of people I first talked to online and then later met in person. One of them was even a friend of an online friend and came with him the first time I met said online friend. We got along well and have hung out on our own many times since then.

I should point out that things might be a bit different in my case because I'm quite extroverted (which is normal in my society; it's hyper-extroverted for the most part), but the core idea remains the same: I think it's possible to use one's time online to make new friends and meet them in person. You get the added benefit of choosing exactly who to talk to instead of having your social circle imposed on you by your workplace, school, etc.
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
It all starts to blur haha :glomp:We’re all like this, to some level. I used to be addicted, even to this forum when I first joined. My grandmother died then, I was serial dating. The forum soothed my soul for a while until it didn’t. Then I had to get real with what I wanted out of life and all that fun stuff. But what I DO love about RF and social media is the ability to relate to people in a way that is meaningful in ways that offline conversations don’t offer. Not going to walk up to a stranger and say hey, want to have a debate about existentialism? Suppose I could, but...:tearsofjoy:

True! RF was there for me as an outlet during the early days after my accident; it was one of the spaces I could exist in the same capacity as everyone else and keep up with conversations.

And there is something to be said about the ability to slide between discussing heavy topics and just bantering and making friends and acquaintances ^.^
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
One of the main things that turned me away from forum life and social media as often as I spent time on it, is the clique patterns. You see someone in the clique posting stupidity ad nauseam getting a zillion likes, while intelligent good posts by those not accepted into the clique, get hardly any. Yea, no bueno. :kiss:
 

Wildstar

Member
I don't interact with my family in a deep fashion. They exist, they try to help me in a lot of ways, but they don't want to go down that rabbit-hole of deep conversation. Subjects like gender, dating, and many other subjects, are considered taboo and off-limits to speak with them about. Subjects that are okay are religion, but only if it's their religion of Christianity, food, education, the weather, etc - the safer subjects.

I like posting on RF because I feel I get to talk about a great deal more. Lately, RF has made me a little lonely, though. You'd think that being on a public forum with public interaction would fill the emotional need for people. But it doesn't. The public debates, the fun banter in the Games forum, it just doesn't do much for me where I'd classify it as personal relationships and "social interaction". My self esteem is a little low and I've been looking for real friends who care about what I have to say, and not because it's presented in a fast-moving smorgasbord of posts to address and gets addressed as a result of being part of the queue. Making friendship is a bit difficult for me as well, because I have mood swings sometimes, though I don't mean anything by them, and I can often appear distant at first as a form of testing the waters. In regards to me testing the waters, I don't always do it completely on purpose, I think I'm just a little insecure and am testing out whether me and them are on the same page. And keeping my guard up.

I've thought of joining a real life support group. But there's a problem there. I'm not feeling real good about myself and getting out in the public right now, due to me being insecure about how androgynous I sometimes look right now as I'm in the middle of transitioning.

Something I have noticed though, is that it's possible, and I'm not saying for sure - that public RF posting makes me a bit lonelier. The Debates drain my energy, without me feeling a sense of satisfaction from them due to all the misinterpretations that happen, even in cases where other people, and myself, seem to be making candid posts explaining things. It's just like things kind of end up a bigger mess than they started, by the end of the Debate.

As for the Games forum, there is some friendliness to be had, but I'm not a huge fan of banter. I actually do use it, but it's more something I learned after I started RF and read the room and followed suit, rather than something I had prior to the forums. So I just have mixed feelings about it. Maybe I do like banter and one-two-punch humor, maybe I don't.

I have been “clean” of online chat rooms for a year now and highly regulate how much time I invest in other types of online socialization. I feel great and my relationship with family is improving dramatically. The loneliness you describe, I also experienced. I no longer do because I talk to people outside of virtual space. I highly recommend kicking the online socialization dependency.
 
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