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That's it AOC! Oh my, photo op time! Quick, MASK UP for those PR camaras! Lead by your example!

lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
The whole issue is leaders who say one thing, intentionally photo op themselves up with all the trimmings prim and proper, and then when the media is not around and the camara shots are over, take it all down and start doing the exact same things along with the people they demean and decry.
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Yep. It's frustrating as hell. By nature I'm a pretty positive person, and try not to be cynical. But with politicians in particular it's hard. (Sales people are the other group I deal with where there is a wide disparity between what they say and what they think).

Twilight Hue said:
Also this behavior can strongly suggest that the pandemic isn't as serious as they put out because they don't come across as bring worried or fearful in the least.
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I don't see it that way. Clarity of messaging has been a major discussion point over here. Melbourne went into a hard lockdown when Delta arrived. Sydney eased into it, and even then, just targeted certain parts of the city for lockdown, and others were left open.

Scientifically, the Sydney approach was actually pretty defensible. It certainly led to less economic hardship. It didn't work.
There were too many exceptions, or loopholes. Leaving your home for no real reason was still normal behaviour, and if I'm in the group that were supposed to stay home, it seemed both unfair, and too easy to blend into the rest of the people wandering the streets.

Clear, easy to understand, and consistent messaging is important. A political party needs to work out what that messaging looks like, and roll with it. Within that party, people will have different thoughts, just like they do on marriage equality, border controls, or whether Puerto Rico should become a state. Because of this, individual politicians...on any issue...are quite likely to privately disagree with messaging, or act in ways that are inconsistent.

They're also the type of people who believe perception is reality, so I don't trust them regardless.

What I DON'T take from their behaviour is what the reality of the situation is. That I want to get from health professionals and/or scientists. It worries me when politics interferes with those bodies and their announcements (which from a distance seems to have happened at times in the US, and moreso there than here I would say).

Twilight Hue said:
If things were really and honestly that dire and dangerous, wouldn't it be a givin they would have the motivation to do all they can in their power to protect themselves? Self preservation?
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting about COVID, and in particular the Delta strain, but it appears pretty bloody dangerous from where I'm sitting. Regardless, there is always context. And I could care less about AOC and how strictly she follows protocol with relation to how I'm assessing COVID. It could impact on how I assess her at the ballot box (but since I'm not American, that doesn't really come into play).

Twilight Hue said:
People are accusing the Democrats of overplaying their roles and are intentionally minuplating the public to keep this thing going on and on.

This only serves to support that assumption.
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Agreed. There is that assumption, and this supports it.

Twilight Hue said:
First it was Pelosi in the salon, Biden on the lawn, the Democrats fleeing Texas, and now it's AOC. None of them ever showing any concern or apprehension over their own personal safety much less others, and these are the people with access to inside information to boot.

What kind of message does this send to people?

If they dont regard it as being dangerous through their well documented behavior on record, why should others be persuaded then?
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I'd hope people are smarter than relying on politicans for information. They don't always seem to be, and I agree this type of behaviour is unhelpful. The answer isn't 'Democrats bad', or 'This is all FakeNews', though. The answer is 'Why do we listen to these self-aggrandizing muppets when we can listen directly to medical experts, given that we have a nice, free society...'
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Twilight Hue said:
I should check out the Doctor angle. See if concerns vary or if it's a concensus shared across the board. Also who is paying compensation to whom.
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Go higher than Doctors, and don't limit yourself to information within your local area. Heck, look internationally, if you know which countries have credible health systems, and the freedom for medical experts to express their opinions.

Here's some local info from my city (if you can read it) around case numbers, etc.
In short, we have very low COVID incidences, and also very low vaccination rates. Because not enough people have been sick from this (due to defensible borders and lockdowns, mostly) the need to get vaccinated has not seemed as urgent. Delta has started to disabuse us of that notion, and Sydney in particular is on the edge of losing control.

‘Crack on and get it’: Brett Sutton encourages COVID-19 jabs as data shows vaccinated are protected (theage.com.au)
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Jose Fly said:
So you do rely on politicians for medical information, rather than actual medical experts. Like I said, that doesn't seem very smart. But do whatever you want I guess.
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I mean, they're scared of criminal Muslim Mexicans because their favoriter politicians screamed about those effectively fictitious dangers at the top of their lungs for four years straight, it's not surprising at all that they would be wary of the confused messaging of politicians during the pandemic or unable to distinguish fact from fiction in that context.

I'm not sure whether I should be relieved that at least they aren't relying on their preachers for that kind of information, which is another phenomenon I've encountered among American conservatives.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Kooky said:
I mean, they're scared of criminal Muslim Mexicans because their favoriter politicians screamed about those effectively fictitious dangers at the top of their lungs for four years straight, it's not surprising at all that they would be wary of the confused messaging of politicians during the pandemic or unable to distinguish fact from fiction in that context.

I'm not sure whether I should be relieved that at least they aren't relying on their preachers for that kind of information, which is another phenomenon I've encountered among American conservatives.
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Good point. Critical race theory in K-12 schools, LGBTQs lurking in bathrooms, Muslim Mexicans crossing the border, Italian satellites flipping votes.....all fake things they're scared of. But COVID? Why that's a hoax!

They really do live in an alternate reality.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
The whole issue is leaders who say one thing, intentionally photo op themselves up with all the trimmings prim and proper, and then when the media is not around and the camara shots are over, take it all down and start doing the exact same things along with the people they demean and decry.

Also this behavior can strongly suggest that the pandemic isn't as serious as they put out because they don't come across as bring worried or fearful in the least.

If things were really and honestly that dire and dangerous, wouldn't it be a givin they would have the motivation to do all they can in their power to protect themselves? Self preservation?

People are accusing the Democrats of overplaying their roles and are intentionally minuplating the public to keep this thing going on and on.

This only serves to support that assumption.

First it was Pelosi in the salon, Biden on the lawn, the Democrats fleeing Texas, and now it's AOC. None of them ever showing any concern or apprehension over their own personal safety much less others, and these are the people with access to inside information to boot.

What kind of message does this send to people?

If they dont regard it as being dangerous through their well documented behavior on record, why should others be persuaded then?
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Individual politicians' views/actions on COVID are not at all indicative of the actual severity of the virus. :shrug:
As I pointed out with climate change.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
I'm not saying there is no danger here, just that the danger in question is being oversensationalized for some reason for which they are not telling people.

Special interest? Acquisition of more power and control? Something else?
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This is starting to sound borderline conspiracy ...
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
SkepticThinker said:
Individual politicians' views/actions on COVID are not at all indicative of the actual severity of the virus. :shrug:
As I pointed out with climate change.
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Bottom line.

They don't seem too afraid nor cautious and have demonstrated that for which it's already well documented, AOC being only the latest, only appearing afraid or cautious whenever public relations propaganda needs to be done.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
Bottom line.

They don't seem too afraid nor cautious and have demonstrated that for which it's already well documented, AOC being only the latest, only appearing afraid or cautious whenever public relations propaganda needs to be done.
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I repeat:

Individual politicians' views/actions on COVID are not at all indicative of the actual severity of the virus.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
SkepticThinker said:
I repeat:

Individual politicians' views/actions on COVID are not at all indicative of the actual severity of the virus.
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I repeat they do when they have access to inside information before the public.


I repeat they are not at all concerned about the dangers and prove its not that dire by their caliver attitude and propaganda photo/camara shoots.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Twilight Hue said:
I repeat they do when they have access to inside information before the public.


I repeat they are not at all concerned about the dangers and prove its not that dire by their caliver attitude and propaganda photo/camara shoots.
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Okay, well, if you want to hang your hat on that logical fallacy, I guess you should go right ahead. :shrug:
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Jose Fly said:
Good point. Critical race theory in K-12 schools, LGBTQs lurking in bathrooms, Muslim Mexicans crossing the border, Italian satellites flipping votes.....all fake things they're scared of. But COVID? Why that's a hoax!

They really do live in an alternate reality.
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How did the delta variant get in this country?

The border.
 
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