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Matthew 16:18

nPeace

Veteran Member
Some people, primarily the head of the Roman catholic, and his following, wholeheartedly stand behind the view that Jesus' words here, are referencing Peter as the rock on which the Christian congregation is built.
However, is there any truth to that claim? Might those with such a view be relying too much on their interpretation - something the scriptures do not encourage, rather than allowing the one whom interpretations belong, to interpret Jesus' words? Genesis 40:8 ; Daniel 2:26-28 ; 2 Peter 1:20, 21

Evidently, that is the case, since the scriptures gave the interpretation, contrary to their view, thus revealing one thing - namely, God has not revealed it to them. Matthew 16:17
 

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Some people, primarily the head of the Roman catholic, and his following, wholeheartedly stand behind the view that Jesus' words here, are referencing Peter as the rock on which the Christian congregation is built.
However, is there any truth to that claim? Might those with such a view be relying too much on their interpretation - something the scriptures do not encourage, rather than allowing the one whom interpretations belong, to interpret Jesus' words? Genesis 40:8 ; Daniel 2:26-28 ; 2 Peter 1:20, 21

Evidently, that is the case, since the scriptures gave the interpretation, contrary to their view, thus revealing one thing - namely, God has not revealed it to them. Matthew 16:17

The first two scriptures you site are in reference to prophecy in general, outside of the scripture. The last one is in reference to prophecy within the scripture. Only that one has any real relevance here.

Let's read the whole thing in context to see what Jesus had said, exactly.

Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.


I mean... The Catholic interpretation seems pretty straight forward. It also explains how the Catholic church has influenced the world like it has throughout the ages, just like the words of Jesus have stated if interpreted that way. How are they misinterpreting it?
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
According to scripture, the first thing one can do, which would demonstrate the qualities needed for being granted the privilege of having the truth concerning this scripture revealed, is humbly ask some questions.

Jesus said, "on this rock".
Does that automatically mean Peter? Is Peter the only rock? Is not Jesus a rock?
So when Jesus said, "this rock", why does one not think Jesus is referring to himself?


The next thing we can do, is, let the scriptures explain Jesus words. What do the scriptures say?
Romans 9:33
as it is written: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, but the one who rests his faith on it will not be disappointed.”

1 Corinthians 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they used to drink from the spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock meant the Christ.

1 Peter 2:6-8
For it says in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a chosen stone, a precious foundation cornerstone, and no one exercising faith in it will ever be disappointed.” It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed.

The scriptures reveal that Jesus himself is a rock, but not just any rock.
Jesus himself is the foundation rock - the head of the corner, or cornerstone - the chosen rock or foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:11
For no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:20
and you have been built up on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.


According to the scriptures, Jesus is the foundation.
Therefore, it becomes evident that those with the view that Peter is the foundation rock, are sadly mistaken.
However, it is expected that God would not reveal the truth to an apostate "nation".
He would however, grant this knowledge to the faithful followers of his son,

So when Jesus said, "this rock", did he have one rock in mind, or two... three... four?
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
SigurdReginson said:
I mean... The Catholic interpretation seems pretty straight forward. It also explains how the Catholic church has influenced the world like it has throughout the ages, just like the words of Jesus have stated if interpreted that way. How are they misinterpreting it?
I'm not sure what you mean by "It also explains how the Catholic church has influenced the world like it has throughout the ages, just like the words of Jesus have stated if interpreted that way".
What explains this, and how has the Roman Catholic church "influenced the world like it has throughout the ages, just like the words of Jesus have stated"?
Can you please explain?
 

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
I'm not sure what you mean by "It also explains how the Catholic church has influenced the world like it has throughout the ages, just like the words of Jesus have stated if interpreted that way".
What explains this, and how has the Roman Catholic church "influenced the world like it has throughout the ages, just like the words of Jesus have stated"?
Can you please explain?

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it.

Catholicism is by far the reason why Christianity has spread like it has. It's also withstood countless attacks, and has come out on top. It has propelled itself to the top of the heap as well, with 1.6 billion adherents, where protestantism has between 800m and 1b.

As for this bit...

19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.”

As for this bit here, can you think of another denomination that has been as influential to the world, and especially to Christianity than the Catholic church? Their influence is felt in nearly every corner of the globe, and it has shaped Christianity into what it is today for the most part.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Some people, primarily the head of the Roman catholic, and his following, wholeheartedly stand behind the view that Jesus' words here, are referencing Peter as the rock on which the Christian congregation is built.
However, is there any truth to that claim? Might those with such a view be relying too much on their interpretation - something the scriptures do not encourage, rather than allowing the one whom interpretations belong, to interpret Jesus' words? Genesis 40:8 ; Daniel 2:26-28 ; 2 Peter 1:20, 21

Evidently, that is the case, since the scriptures gave the interpretation, contrary to their view, thus revealing one thing - namely, God has not revealed it to them. Matthew 16:17
That church is very different from protestant churches in that it admits truth cannot always be expressed in words, and it recognizes mysteries. What further confuses the issue: I am told that the early Roman bishop contested to gain supremacy over the other bishops. Since there was a contest in relation to this exact scripture I am not inclined to accept that pat answer. Who knows, but there could be a secret tradition which believes there is more to it? I don't think that public dogma is necessarily the end of Catholic training. Protestants claim to expose everything. Catholics have mysteries.

Jesus said, "on this rock".
Does that automatically mean Peter? Is Peter the only rock? Is not Jesus a rock?
So when Jesus said, "this rock", why does one not think Jesus is referring to himself?
Jesus is taking the concept of Nebuchadnezzar's vision and is applying it to Judaism, the works of the Levites and the Pharisees are, in this scheme, the statue. When he says 'Rock' I believe he is referring to Peter's experience: the Father can reveal to people, directly; even though Simon's name is what is changed. (We can't deny that Simon's name gets changed from 'Reed' to 'Rock'). I believe Jesus alludes to this same rock as the stone that the builders reject. Builders reject this (concept of the Father teaching us) and believe that each disciple must be painstakingly taught by a master. They focus on lessons, training, learning to imitate a leader. Jesus, opposite, tells his disciples they will be taught by the Holy Spirit and does not teach them everything he knows. Also I believe Jesus is alluding to the vision of Nebuchadnezzar and the rock made without hands which destroys all of the works of men and then fills the land. In this scheme the masters, the teachers who are Levites and Pharisees can only perform human work. If this scheme is what Jesus uses, then he doesn't believe that the Levites and Pharisees can be that stone.

Why do I believe this is the interpretation? Its because of my experiences seeing churches divided over sincerely felt but ultimately foolish disagreements. They won't break themselves upon the stone and instead are crushed. They reject the stone. They want to make systems which will ensure the longevity of their churches, set things up to run like a quart watch. It doesn't work. This leads me to take very seriously Jesus rejection of master-student relationships. But beyond that I feel that there are many stories about this, many parables and also the preaching of John the Baptist appears to be about this.

So I think he's not talking directly about himself but about a principle, and I agree that Peter is not literally the rock but disagree with you and think his experience is.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
According to scripture, the first thing one can do, which would demonstrate the qualities needed for being granted the privilege of having the truth concerning this scripture revealed, is humbly ask some questions.

Jesus said, "on this rock".
Does that automatically mean Peter? Is Peter the only rock? Is not Jesus a rock?
So when Jesus said, "this rock", why does one not think Jesus is referring to himself?


The next thing we can do, is, let the scriptures explain Jesus words. What do the scriptures say?
Romans 9:33
as it is written: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, but the one who rests his faith on it will not be disappointed.”

1 Corinthians 10:4
and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they used to drink from the spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock meant the Christ.

1 Peter 2:6-8
For it says in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a chosen stone, a precious foundation cornerstone, and no one exercising faith in it will ever be disappointed.” It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed.

The scriptures reveal that Jesus himself is a rock, but not just any rock.
Jesus himself is the foundation rock - the head of the corner, or cornerstone - the chosen rock or foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:11
For no one can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:20
and you have been built up on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.


According to the scriptures, Jesus is the foundation.
Therefore, it becomes evident that those with the view that Peter is the foundation rock, are sadly mistaken.
However, it is expected that God would not reveal the truth to an apostate "nation".
He would however, grant this knowledge to the faithful followers of his son,

So when Jesus said, "this rock", did he have one rock in mind, or two... three... four?
Do you know what "Peter" means in Latin?

In the Latin translation of the gospels, Jesus says: "Tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam" . That means "You are Rock". His name up to then was Simon.

So Jesus renamed him Rock. Explicitly.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Some people, primarily the head of the Roman catholic, and his following, wholeheartedly stand behind the view that Jesus' words here, are referencing Peter as the rock on which the Christian congregation is built............................

Since Matthew 16:18 was written (Not in English) but in Greek the Greek word ' pe'tros' in the masculine gender means ' a piece of the rock or stone '.
The feminine gender form is ' pe'tra ' as in rock as in bedrock, a cliff, or even a mass of rock.
Peter did Not view himself as the ' rock ' by what Peter wrote at 1 Peter 2:4-8.
Jesus was the long-foretold ' foundation or cornerstone ' chosen by God Himself.
Besides Peter, Paul also refers to Jesus as the foundation or spiritual rock - 1 Corinthians :11; 1 Corinthians 10:4
The Christian congregation would be a spiritual house - 1 Peter 2:4-5; 1 Peter 2:9
Not Peter, but the congregation is built on Jesus because Jesus is the one who can release/resurrect the dead.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Mt 16:18
You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: the Aramaic word kēpā’ meaning rock and transliterated into Greek as Kēphas is the name by which Peter is called in the Pauline letters 1Cor:12, 3:22, 9:5, 15:4, Gal 1:18, 2:9, 11, 14. Except in Gal 2 :7-8 Peter. It is translated as Petros in Jn 1:42. The presumed original Aramaic of Jesus’ statement would have been, in English, “You are the Rock (Kēpā’) and upon this rock (kēpā’) I will build my church.” The Greek text probably means the same, for the difference in gender between the masculine noun petros, the disciple’s new name, and the feminine noun petra (rock) may be due simply to the unsuitability of using a feminine noun as the proper name of a male. Although the two words were generally used with slightly different nuances, they were also used interchangeably with the same meaning, “rock.”
Mt16:19
The keys to the kingdom of heaven: the image of the keys is probably drawn from Is 22:15-25 where Eliakim, who succeeds Shebna as master of the palace, is given “the key of the House of David,” which he authoritatively “opens” and “shuts”, Is 22:22, instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing, but the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it.............
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.”

As for this bit here, can you think of another denomination that has been as influential to the world, and especially to Christianity than the Catholic church? Their influence is felt in nearly every corner of the globe, and it has shaped Christianity into what it is today for the most part.
Or, instead of Christianity, it shaped ' Christendom ' ( so-called Christian - Matthew 7:21-23 )
In Jesus' day the religious Jews took away scriptural knowledge - Luke 11:52
In Scripture, 'keys' literal or figurative, shows a trusted degree of authority (1 Chronicles 9:26-27; Isaiah 22:20-22)
Peter had the privilege of opening up opportunities with respect to God's Kingdom.
Peter's job was to use the ' keys ' entrusted to him:
* First key: to open up the way for the Jews - Acts of the Apostles 2:1-41; Acts of the Apostles 2:22-41.
* Second key: to unlock the way for the Samaritans - Acts of the Apostles 8:14-17
* Third key: for non-Jewish people of the gentile nations - Acts of the Apostles 10:34-38; Acts of the Apostles 15:7-9
Peter's decisions ( bind or loosen ) was a corresponding decision as was already made in Heaven.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
There are many places in the Bible where Jesus is called the Rock.The name Peter means a small stone. Can yu see Jesus pointing to Peter and saying, "You are a little stone" and then pointing to himself and saying "On this rock I will build my church." Why would God build a church on a mortal human when his own son Jesus is right there?
 

1213

Well-Known Member
Some people, primarily the head of the Roman catholic, and his following, wholeheartedly stand behind the view that Jesus' words here, are referencing Peter as the rock on which the Christian congregation is built.
However, is there any truth to that claim? Might those with such a view be relying too much on their interpretation...

I don’t see any reason to make an interpretation of direct words. That is why I think Jesus meant what he said.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I don’t see any reason to make an interpretation of direct words. That is why I think Jesus meant what he said.
I don't find the direct word ' you ' found at Matthew 16:18.
Jesus does Not directly say, ' upon you the rock ', but uses the word ' this '.
Yes, Jesus gives him Peter the keys at Matthew 16:19; 18:18.
Peter uses one congregation key to open up the kingdom for the Jews - Acts of the Apostles 2:14; 22-41
Peter uses a second congregation key to unlock the way for the Samaritans - Acts of the Apostles 8:14-17
Peter uses the third congregation key for the people of the gentile nations - Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35, 44-45
I find then the completed congregation contained: converted Jews, Samaritans, and gentiles.
No other foundation can be laid except for Christ Jesus - 1 Corinthians 3:11
Who is the ' rock ' at Romans 9:33 but Jesus.
Who is the ' rock ' at 1 Peter 2:8 but Jesus.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
I don't find the direct word ' you ' found at Matthew 16:18.
Jesus does Not directly say, ' upon you the rock ', but uses the word ' this '.
Yes, Jesus gives him Peter the keys at Matthew 16:19; 18:18.
Peter uses one congregation key to open up the kingdom for the Jews - Acts of the Apostles 2:14; 22-41
Peter uses a second congregation key to unlock the way for the Samaritans - Acts of the Apostles 8:14-17
Peter uses the third congregation key for the people of the gentile nations - Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35, 44-45
I find then the completed congregation contained: converted Jews, Samaritans, and gentiles.
No other foundation can be laid except for Christ Jesus - 1 Corinthians 3:11
Who is the ' rock ' at Romans 9:33 but Jesus.
Who is the ' rock ' at 1 Peter 2:8 but Jesus.

I think you have done a good job in finding those scriptures. In my opinion people should not make far fetched ideas about them. Basically, the idea is, the whole congregation is based on Jesus, Jesus chose his disciples to continue his work. Jesus is the foundation, because the whole movement is based on him. All following people are built upon Jesus. Peter is supported by Jesus and those who hear Peter, are supported by him and so all the people basically form a building, where all humans that are in line with the teachings of Jesus, form one greater unit, congregation.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The first two scriptures you site are in reference to prophecy in general, outside of the scripture. The last one is in reference to prophecy within the scripture. Only that one has any real relevance here.

Let's read the whole thing in context to see what Jesus had said, exactly.

Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[d] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.


I mean... The Catholic interpretation seems pretty straight forward. It also explains how the Catholic church has influenced the world like it has throughout the ages, just like the words of Jesus have stated if interpreted that way. How are they misinterpreting it?
I think you have done a good job in finding those scriptures. In my opinion people should not make far fetched ideas about them. Basically, the idea is, the whole congregation is based on Jesus, Jesus chose his disciples to continue his work. Jesus is the foundation, because the whole movement is based on him. All following people are built upon Jesus. Peter is supported by Jesus and those who hear Peter, are supported by him and so all the people basically form a building, where all humans that are in line with the teachings of Jesus, form one greater unit, congregation.

The "petra" foundation stone was "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven", by means of the spirit of revelation. As Yeshua came to fulfill the Law and the prophets, which in this respect to Isaiah 22, Yeshua called Simon BarJonas, petros, meaning stone, as in a small stone, and not a foundation stone. Peter would be the one in Isaiah 22 who was but in charge of the "royal household", who would make a place for himself "in the rock", who would be the "shame of your master's house", and whose heir, claiming to have the keys of the "house of David", the pope, would "fall", and everyone hanging on to him would be "cut off" in "that day", which would be the day of the Lord. Peter is one of the two horns of the beast, who was to help deceive those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13). The other horn being Paul, the second shepherd of Zechariah 11, who along with Peter, were to pasture the flock "doomed for slaughter". (Zechariah 11:7), which is comprised of the churches of Peter and Paul. Judas Iscariot was included as a 3rd shepherd in Zechariah 11:12-13 to set the time frame. Yeshua chose Peter to fulfill Zechariah 11:16-17 because of his over inflated ego.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Mt 16:18
You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church: the Aramaic word kēpā’ meaning rock and transliterated into Greek as Kēphas is the name by which Peter is called in the Pauline letters 1Cor:12, 3:22, 9:5, 15:4, Gal 1:18, 2:9, 11, 14. Except in Gal 2 :7-8 Peter. It is translated as Petros in Jn 1:42. The presumed original Aramaic of Jesus’ statement would have been, in English, “You are the Rock (Kēpā’) and upon this rock (kēpā’) I will build my church.” The Greek text probably means the same, for the difference in gender between the masculine noun petros, the disciple’s new name, and the feminine noun petra (rock) may be due simply to the unsuitability of using a feminine noun as the proper name of a male. Although the two words were generally used with slightly different nuances, they were also used interchangeably with the same meaning, “rock.”
Mt16:19
The keys to the kingdom of heaven: the image of the keys is probably drawn from Is 22:15-25 where Eliakim, who succeeds Shebna as master of the palace, is given “the key of the House of David,” which he authoritatively “opens” and “shuts”, Is 22:22, instances in rabbinic literature of the binding-loosing imagery. Of the several meanings given there to the metaphor, two are of special importance here: the giving of authoritative teaching, and the lifting or imposing of the ban of excommunication. It is disputed whether the image of the keys and that of binding and loosing are different metaphors meaning the same thing, but the promise of the keys is given to Peter alone.

Shebna in Isaiah 22:15 would refer to Peter, who had the initial keys, and who tried to make a home for himself in the "rock" (Is 22:16), and who was put in charge of the royal household, and who went on to be the "shame of your master's home" (Is 22:18). It would the heir of Shebna, Eliakim, who was given the keys of the house of David, and this would be represented by the pope, who would reign until "in that day", the day of the Lord, and then he would "fall" and those hanging onto him would be "cut off" (Is 22:25). I am thinking "in that day" is at hand. (Joel 1:15)
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...Peter is one of the two horns of the beast, who was to help deceive those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13). The other horn being Paul, the second shepherd of Zechariah 11, who along with Peter, were to pasture the flock "doomed for slaughter". (Zechariah 11:7), which is comprised of the churches of Peter and Paul. ..

How has Peter and Paul deceived people?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
How has Peter and Paul deceived people?

It is the beast with two heads like a lamb, Constantine, the 7th head of the beast of Revelation 17, who deceives those "who dwell on the earth" by way of his Roman church. Peter and Paul are simply the foundations of the churches used in that endeavor. Paul's false gospel of grace, the gospel of lawlessness, is a principle component of the deception, whereas Peter, the "stumbling block to me", is the second component, in that now you are supposed to appeal to the pope to determine the will of God, for the pope suggests that he is Christ on earth, and that Christ is God. Yeshua's message was that no man is above another (Matthew 23:8-10) Paul follows the path of his father the devil, and purports that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4), but be transformed in an instance. Apparently, unless you were in Hiroshima at the end of WWII, there will be no instant transformation, but one of a slower rate (Zechariah 14:12) & (Revelation 9:5).
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I think you have done a good job in finding those scriptures. In my opinion people should not make far fetched ideas about them. Basically, the idea is, the whole congregation is based on Jesus, Jesus chose his disciples to continue his work. Jesus is the foundation, because the whole movement is based on him. All following people are built upon Jesus. Peter is supported by Jesus and those who hear Peter, are supported by him and so all the people basically form a building, where all humans that are in line with the teachings of Jesus, form one greater unit, congregation.
Thank you,I also find Peter likens the Christian congregation to a 'nation' (a spiritual nation) - 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 2:5.
A nation (great congregation) without borders nor boundaries found on any map - Psalms 35:18; Psalms 40:10.
A 'royal nation' under Christ as King that is made up of: kings/priests and also earthly subjects or citizens.
- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14; Psalms 2:8; Psalms 22:26-28; Psalms 37:9-11.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
...Paul's false gospel of grace, the gospel of lawlessness, is a principle component of the deception, whereas Peter, the "stumbling block to me", is the second component, in that now you are supposed to appeal to the pope to determine the will of God, for the pope suggests that he is Christ on earth, and that Christ is God. Yeshua's message was that no man is above another (Matthew 23:8-10) Paul follows the path of his father the devil, and purports that you "surely shall not die" (Genesis 3:4), but be transformed in an instance. Apparently, unless you were in Hiroshima at the end of WWII, there will be no instant transformation, but one of a slower rate (Zechariah 14:12) & (Revelation 9:5).

Sorry, I think you have misunderstood Paul and Peter.
 
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