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MyPillowGuy has his own religion...

Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
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Sorry, but this really is an example of a religious adherence to a false belief no matter what evidence is presented against. It should disturb most of us, because it does tell us a little something about why human beings can be convinced to blow themselves to smithereens for a religious belief, or fly planes into buildings, or keep life-saving treatments from their own children.

You see it in the people who believe "the end is near," and make exact predictions -- and when those predictions don't come true, imagine nonsensical reasons why, and then promptly go on to fixate on a new date. (This bozo is doing the same thing believing that SCOTUS will overturn the last election soon and restore Trump to the Presidency -- and when the dates pass, as they have, come up with new ones with new reasons.)

Normally, I'd look at somebody like this and suppose that he's just another loon (there are lots and lots of them!), and who cares? Except that I honestly think he is contributing to the doubt of many Americans that their democracy really works. And that is an immense danger.

How can this sort of thing be dealt with appropriately?
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Watch the video

Sorry, but this really is an example of a religious adherence to a false belief no matter what evidence is presented against. It should disturb most of us, because it does tell us a little something about why human beings can be convinced to blow themselves to smithereens for a religious belief, or fly planes into buildings, or keep life-saving treatments from their own children.

You see it in the people who believe "the end is near," and make exact predictions -- and when those predictions don't come true, imagine nonsensical reasons why, and then promptly go on to fixate on a new date. (This bozo is doing the same thing believing that SCOTUS will overturn the last election soon and restore Trump to the Presidency -- and when the dates pass, as they have, come up with new ones with new reasons.)

Normally, I'd look at somebody like this and suppose that he's just another loon (there are lots and lots of them!), and who cares? Except that I honestly think he is contributing to the doubt of many Americans that their democracy really works. And that is an immense danger.

How can this sort of thing be dealt with appropriately?
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What I wonder is what his true believers will do when it becomes apparent that none of his predictions are coming true and Trump isn't going to be reinstated. Like other fervent cultists, the potential for significant violence is quite real. Many of the Jan 6 insurrectionists promised that "next time" they will be carrying guns.

Like most large-scale phenomena, the belief in the big lie is likely multi-faceted. IMO, it's a combination of cultish adherence to a charismatic leader, confirmation bias, foreign propaganda, domestic propaganda, social media algorithms and monetization of likes/clicks, fear of demographic/society change, racial anxiety, and probably some other things I'm missing.

But overall, when I see folks like this talk all I can think is....."What a nut".
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Jose Fly said:
What I wonder is what his true believers will do when it becomes apparent that none of his predictions are coming true and Trump isn't going to be reinstated. Like other fervent cultists, the potential for significant violence is quite real. Many of the Jan 6 insurrectionists promised that "next time" they will be carrying guns.

Like most large-scale phenomena, the belief in the big lie is likely multi-faceted. IMO, it's a combination of cultish adherence to a charismatic leader, confirmation bias, foreign propaganda, domestic propaganda, social media algorithms and monetization of likes/clicks, fear of demographic/society change, racial anxiety, and probably some other things I'm missing.

But overall, when I see folks like this talk all I can think is....."What a nut".
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They will just scream its a conspiracy against Trump and everyone is in on it.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Watch the video

Sorry, but this really is an example of a religious adherence to a false belief no matter what evidence is presented against. It should disturb most of us, because it does tell us a little something about why human beings can be convinced to blow themselves to smithereens for a religious belief, or fly planes into buildings, or keep life-saving treatments from their own children.

You see it in the people who believe "the end is near," and make exact predictions -- and when those predictions don't come true, imagine nonsensical reasons why, and then promptly go on to fixate on a new date. (This bozo is doing the same thing believing that SCOTUS will overturn the last election soon and restore Trump to the Presidency -- and when the dates pass, as they have, come up with new ones with new reasons.)

Normally, I'd look at somebody like this and suppose that he's just another loon (there are lots and lots of them!), and who cares? Except that I honestly think he is contributing to the doubt of many Americans that their democracy really works. And that is an immense danger.

How can this sort of thing be dealt with appropriately?
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I found this odd...

"MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell says he will offer a $5 million reward to any cyber expert, politician or reporter who can disprove his alleged 2020 election data."

To claim the prize you must attend Lindell’s August “cyber symposium” in South Dakota and prove that cyber data is not valid data from the November 2020 election.


The stipulation.......
The event is not open to the public, only current politicians, cyber experts, and the media can attend.
 
The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
To be honest, I don't watch a lot of news but aren't news people just as shady as well? I mean media is clearly swayed by politics as well, I wouldn't be surprised if political parties didn't start paying them to keep secrets as well.

Like I said, I don't watch news, but do news anchors really get this defensive? They seemed really hard pressed to make him look like a fool, but this guy was so darn determined. He is very confident that he will convince people for sure, and if he doesn't then he doesn't. What if he's right? And of course the vote-counting people of those accused states would say nothing went wrong in their voting counting system!
 
Dan From Smithville

Dan From Smithville

Recently discovered my planet of origin.
Staff member
Premium Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Watch the video

Sorry, but this really is an example of a religious adherence to a false belief no matter what evidence is presented against. It should disturb most of us, because it does tell us a little something about why human beings can be convinced to blow themselves to smithereens for a religious belief, or fly planes into buildings, or keep life-saving treatments from their own children.

You see it in the people who believe "the end is near," and make exact predictions -- and when those predictions don't come true, imagine nonsensical reasons why, and then promptly go on to fixate on a new date. (This bozo is doing the same thing believing that SCOTUS will overturn the last election soon and restore Trump to the Presidency -- and when the dates pass, as they have, come up with new ones with new reasons.)

Normally, I'd look at somebody like this and suppose that he's just another loon (there are lots and lots of them!), and who cares? Except that I honestly think he is contributing to the doubt of many Americans that their democracy really works. And that is an immense danger.

How can this sort of thing be dealt with appropriately?
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I think he needs to work on a new product. MyPsychiatrist seems like a good next step for him.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
The Sum of Awe said:
To be honest, I don't watch a lot of news but aren't news people just as shady as well? I mean media is clearly swayed by politics as well, I wouldn't be surprised if political parties didn't start paying them to keep secrets as well.
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Are news reporters "just as shady" as Lindell? No, not in general.

Like I said, I don't watch news, but do news anchors really get this defensive? They seemed really hard pressed to make him look like a fool, but this guy was so darn determined.
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That's the dilemma reporters face in these situations. If they just let people like Lindell spew their conspiracy theories and lies unchecked and unquestioned, are they really doing journalism? Or are they just serving as megaphones for nonsense?

It's like if they interviewed a flat-earther. Should they ask tough questions and challenge things the flat-earther says, or do they just let 'em say whatever they want and at the end simply say "Thanks for the interview"?

Personally I prefer journalists who attempt to get to the facts and truth.

He is very confident that he will convince people for sure, and if he doesn't then he doesn't. What if he's right? And of course the vote-counting people of those accused states would say nothing went wrong in their voting counting system!
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Lindell most certainly isn't right. In fact, he's either a nut, a con man, or a combination of both.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Normally, I'd look at somebody like this and suppose that he's just another loon (there are lots and lots of them!), and who cares? Except that I honestly think he is contributing to the doubt of many Americans that their democracy really works.
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I agree, and we also should remember this: "You are like the company you keep.", namely that Trump and he are obviously on the same page. So, if there's any doubts about Trump's motives, this should make it quite clear.

And the fact that there are so many in the "religious fight" that support Trump and are all so willing to trash the Constitution tells us a ton. How can Jesus' message to "love one another" get so easily ignored so as to defend what took place on January 6th and 20th? It's the difference between just talking-the-talk but not being willing to walk-the-walk, the latter of which Jesus called "the narrow gate".

Did I convert you yet? [just kidding:)]
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Except that I honestly think he is contributing to the doubt of many Americans that their democracy really works.
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We know it doesn't. Anyone who thinks we have a functioning democracy is ignorant at best and delusional at worst. Anyway, who cares what he thinks. I doubt anyone looks to him for their political views. Who are these people getting their views from celebs or random tv people???
 
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