Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The nanny state, three men in a room, stuff like that.
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An Alarming Observation
- Thread starter PureX
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Forget the video. I just want to know what you think.
Do you believe voting is a right? Or do you think it is a privilege?
If it is a right does that mean every citizen of voting age should have equal access?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I think everyone who really wants to vote can do so. I have to drive to the polls, you might have to walk a bit or catch a ride.
I think showing you ID to vote is common sense. I have to do that much to get a fishing license.
Strange comparison. Do you think fishing is a right?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Darn right I do.
The nanny state. What you mean is republicans allow businesses to not pay adequate wages so the state has to subsidize the underpaid workers so the businesses can pretend to make more profit. The state is the nanny to big business, not to struggling people with little influence in government.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Oh I won't argue with that. One of the few things I've been swayed on here. A living wage.
Your right though, there is a nanny aspect with the right that's just as bad.
I call it screwed two ways to Sunday.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
How is the nanny state hidden?
PureX
Veteran Member
It's because capitalism is fundamentally toxic to the society in which it operates. We expect the government to pass laws to mitigate the damage that toxic system causes, but eventually the toxin of greed infects the government, too, and it becomes a servant of capitalism, instead of the people. And instead of protecting them from it, the government becomes an enabler of the poisonous system that it's supposed to be reigning in. Walmart doesn't want to pay a living wage, or pay any taxes, so it bribes the legislature to make sure it doesn't have to. Then the government has to cover the cost of living for those Walmart's employees, or let them starve. And to do that, it has to further tax everyone else. So instead of protecting the population from the unremitting greed of capitalism, it ends up enabling it at the expense of the public it no longer protects or serves.
This is where we are, now, in the U.S.
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PureX
Veteran Member
What I find sad, here, is the reasoning. "I have to do X, so everyone else should have to do X, too". It's incredibly selfish reasoning. And completely illogical as it presumes that voting is the same as getting a fishing license.
Voting is a fundamental principal of our government. The MOST fundamental principal. And as such it is the government's fundamental responsibility to make that right available to every adult citizen in the country. And it has done this by keeping a role of eligible voters in each precinct on hand at the polls. So that all the citizen needs to do is show up, sign the eligible voter roll next to their name, and vote. And for hundreds of years, this has worked well. Virtually no cheating. And as little inconvenience for the voter as possible. To cheat, one would have to know the name and address of someone they know is not going to vote, be able to reasonably forge their signature and pass as them, and they'd have to trust that the poll worker in front of them doesn't know who that non-voting person is. Because the poll worker will check the new signature against the old one.
There is no logical reason why any ID should be required. There never has been any reason to require one in the past. Virtually no one was cheating. And the only reason for this new insistence on voters showing IDs is because the republicans can't win elections if everyone votes. They have try and stop as many people as they can from voting, to win. And the only reason people go along with it is because they are republicans, and don't care about republicans rigging elections so long as "their team" wins, or like you, they feel like the government is always inconveniencing them, so they want to see everyone else being inconvenienced, too. It's all just stupid, petty, and selfish.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Much less so than the Pubs as surveys and experiences have clearly shown, and your use of "false equivalence" is just a feeble attempt to obstruct the reality. I used to be a Republican but left largely because of the blatant racism I heard and witnessed on a regular basis, including even within my own extended family and neighbors. Now I am an independent but undoubtedly come off more as being a Dem, which is largely because the Pub Party has abandoned any sense of fairness and democratic values.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
In many urban precincts people have to stand in line for hours to vote because there aren't enough polling stations. Imagine having to do that in hot and humid parts of the country, or in rain or other inclement weather.
anna.
but mostly it's the same
They already showed us on January 6.
PureX
Veteran Member
And their failure on Jan 6th is not going to be the end of the saga. Their lust for gaining total control of government by any means necessary has not abated even one little bit.
anna.
but mostly it's the same
No it won't, and no it hasn't. :/
You know as well as I do the types you encounter when you come up against the far right wing. Even here in CA - the other day I saw another pickup go by with the big Three Percenters decal on the back window. The Three Percenters were at the Capitol, and they probably have more members now than before Jan.6.