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The Left now says there's no such thing as a "woman"

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Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Debater Slayer said:
Since there is no scientific or objective basis for any of these norms and notions of feminity, masculinity, and everything in between, the idea that transgendered people's biological sex determines their gender identity is both unscientific and arbitrary.
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Bad science for sure. Basing identify on a brain malfunction is absurd. Im a ten foot tall black women, in spite of being a approximately 6 foot white male. Do you believe me?
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Father Heathen said:
Regardless of whether or not you believe someone is legitimately male or female, at the end of the day it's their life and their body. Unless you're someone who abhors freedom, why get obsessively hung up about it?

As for the thread title, that's a pretty damn broad brush, and a clear indication that the OP wasn't worth taking seriously.
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Because they prefer to think of LGBT folks as mentally ill. Makes it easier to hate and discriminate against them.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Wildswanderer said:
No, I would still be a male at the DNA level. Many people have mental illness that makes them delusional. What their brains tell them isn't a reliable indicater of what sex they are.
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Would you? Female is to X chromosomes (XX) and male is XY. Except, for some reason that you and I can't fix, some people are born XXY, or XYY, or even XXYY. What, in your view, are they? Is everything always so chrystal clear for you, or do you ever try to look just a little more deeply?

And then, of course, there is the matter of gene expression and suppression. Oh, hell, if we get into that, we'll never achieve the certainty you seem to require.

And that, I'm sorry to tell you, is all "at the DNA level."
 
Debater Slayer

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Wildswanderer said:
Bad science for sure. Basing identify on a brain malfunction is absurd. Im a ten foot tall black women, in spite of being a approximately 6 foot white male. Do you believe me?
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You didn't address my question, though. You're just restating your opinions without showing any reliable, peer-reviewed studies to clarify why anyone should dismiss current medical consensus in favor of the views you're espousing.

As for your example, it's not an accurate parallel to gender identity because, unlike the socially constructed nature of gendered norms and roles, skin color and height are physical attributes. Biological sex is, as I touched on earlier, not a definitive indicator of one's gender identity.
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
Wildswanderer said:
No, I would still be a male at the DNA level. Many people have mental illness that makes them delusional. What their brains tell them isn't a reliable indicater of what sex they are.
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So, I have a friend who's intersex. She has a penis and testis, but she also has a uterus and experiences monthly pain via her period. Growing up, she was raised as a boy, but as she got older, she started to fill out her shape in more of a female form. She has breasts and everything else associated with her sex now. After she went through puberty and saw what was happening, she changed her legal name, though now she is considered (legally) trans because of this. She can't join the military because of that.

Now, when she was younger, she always felt that she was female. Turns out her body finally caught up with her in those regards. She's told me that she got blood test when she was questioning these changes, and what she found was that she had one X chromosome, and one that wasn't quite an X and wasn't quite a Y. It was different.

What would you say in her case? She hasn't had any invasive surgery done to remove or change out any bits, so everything is still the way it was before in those regards. Is she mentally ill and delusional? If not, what makes her case different? Should I call her "it" instead, since she has both parts, or am I right in referring to her the way she prefers?
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Meandflower said:
Science that say a man with dick is a biological woman is false science. A man can never become a biological woman.

But a man can only become a transwoman.

A person will always be the biological gender\sex you are born with
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You've heard of brains, right? There's more to gender than just genitals. And it's not as binary as you seem to think.

Brain Sex Differences Related to Gender Identity Development: Genes or Hormones?
Research on the Transgender Brain: What You Should Know – Cleveland Clinic
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Who is this "Left" people keep talking about, and where is he (or she) saying all these things that get people on here so up in arms?
 
Kooky

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Shakeel said:
What is a non-biological woman?
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Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
SigurdReginson said:
So, I have a friend who's intersex. She has a penis and testis, but she also has a uterus and experiences monthly pain via her period. Growing up, she was raised as a boy, but as she got older, she started to fill out her shape in more of a female form. She has breasts and everything else associated with her sex now. After she went through puberty and saw what was happening, she changed her legal name, though now she is considered (legally) trans because of this. She can't join the military because of that.

Now, when she was younger, she always felt that she was female. Turns out her body finally caught up with her in those regards. She's told me that she got blood test when she was questioning these changes, and what she found was that she had one X chromosome, and one that wasn't quite an X and wasn't quite a Y. It was different.

What would you say in her case? She hasn't had any invasive surgery done to remove or change out any bits, so everything is still the way it was before in those regards. Is she mentally ill and delusional? If not, what makes her case different? Should I call her "it" instead, since she has both parts, or am I right in referring to her the way she prefers?
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I regard hemophridites as a natural and legitimate third sex.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Thirza Fallen said:
Because they prefer to think of LGBT folks as mentally ill. Makes it easier to hate and discriminate against them.
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It used to be classified as a mental illness in medicine.

Some think it was declassified due to political pressures.
 
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