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The Left now says there's no such thing as a "woman"

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Since you see, feel, know yourself as male, yes that's quite true.

If your brain were otherwise wired (as some are), you might in fact see yourself more as being on the road to becoming authentic.

But of course, you can't see that. And you will waste not a pica-watt of mental energy trying to empathize.
No, I would still be a male at the DNA level. Many people have mental illness that makes them delusional. What their brains tell them isn't a reliable indicater of what sex they are.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
If your brain is female, & you get the body
altered to be female, then you're female enuf.

Correct. According to what I've read of biology, there are two things to determining sex itself. And it's sometimes separated into something called sexual characteristics, which is your private parts, and something called secondary sexual characteristics, which is pretty much just your appearance. Transgender people who haven't had the operation done, but take hormones, are changing their secondary sexual characteristics. And in a lot of ways, I feel that the secondary sexual characters can be more important than these "main sexual characteristics", ie the private parts.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Correct. According to what I've read of biology, there are two things to determining sex itself. And it's sometimes separated into something called sexual characteristics, which is your private parts, and something called secondary sexual characteristics, which is pretty much just your appearance. Transgender people who haven't had the operation done, but take hormones, are changing their secondary sexual characteristics. And in a lot of ways, I feel that the secondary sexual characters can be more important than these "main sexual characteristics", ie the private parts.
I thought I might get some grief for "female enuf"
as opposed to "female".
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The current medical consensus is that gender is an identity dictated by social norms without a scientific or objective basis:

Yes, that's the stance I quoted. I'm asking you on what basis you're dismissing the peer-reviewed stance of the WHO as "bad science" and "not science at all." Do you have peer-reviewed, medically reliable studies supporting your dismissal of the current medical consensus on gender identity?
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Yes, that's the stance I quoted. I'm asking you on what basis you're dismissing the peer-reviewed stance of the WHO as "bad science" and "not science at all." Do you have peer-reviewed, medically reliable studies supporting your dismissal of the current medical consensus on gender identity?
They literally said their conclusion isn't science!
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
They literally said their conclusion isn't science!

I think you might have misread my post. I said this:

The current medical consensus is that gender is an identity dictated by social norms without a scientific or objective basis:

Let me rephrase that to remove any potential ambiguity: according to the current medical consensus (which I referenced in the link I posted), there is no scientific or objective basis underpinning any specific notions of what constitutes the various gender identities such as male, female, and non-binary. They vary from society to society and sometimes drastically change over time.

For example, where I live, some people consider it "masculine" for a woman to wear jeans, whereas this is less so in some societies. Another example is that some people in various parts of the world consider showing emotion to be an "unmanly" trait, while some cultural circles encourage and even romanticize this trait.

Since there is no scientific or objective basis for any of these norms and notions of feminity, masculinity, and everything in between, the idea that transgendered people's biological sex determines their gender identity is both unscientific and arbitrary.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
funny how non theists throw around the word "science" exactly the way theists throw around "god". Oh a a dude is a women because....uhhhh..... because "science" :D

A person's body and brain are two different genders. In the womb, the body and brain are genderized at two different times. Sometimes they don't match up. They can't help it. Sometimes babies have deformed genitalia and they are given the wrong designation at birth. Things happen.
 
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