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Is it all right for Muslims to kill Hatun Tash?

firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
2ndpillar said:
That would be a politically correct way to approach the subject. Another outlook would be to say that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it is probably a duck. One of the means for dealing with an apostate and idolater in the Quran was to cut of their heads. The guy looked to be trying to cut her throat. Probably as a Trinitarian, she was seen as an idolater. Keep in mind, that the propaganda put out by Muslims, called lying, known as Taqiyya, is protected under the Hadith. As for the police, they work for a Muslim mayor, and their first priority is to keep the terrorist from burning down London.

“Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout. Quran 9:5

Quran 47:4: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks;
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Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 )

God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 )

Kill Men, Women, and Children

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 )

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 )

Kill Old Men and Young Women

“You are my battle-ax and sword,” says the LORD. “With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. “As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem,” says the LORD. “Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy,” says the LORD. “I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out,” says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 )

More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.(Isaiah 13:15-18 )
 
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2ndpillar

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kiwimac said:
What a crock of foetid dingoes kidneys!
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As with Hatun, Zoroasters have a trinity, with the goddess being Anahita, along side of Mithra and Mazda. This Indio-Persian concept would be under the pagan category, under the penalty of death per Quran 9:5. You are lucky Islam doesn't rule your super volcano island, although your location and liberal government leadership puts you enough in harm's way. (Revelation 16:20) Your "lord" Mazda will not be able to protect you, as the Persian empire was not able to protect your religion or empire from nomadic Arabs, of course with the help of the "Turks", Byzantines, and the back stabbing Parthians.
 
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Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
2ndpillar said:
Is it all right for a Muslim's to kill a 5' 2' female, former Muslim, Hatun Tash, who was preaching at speaker's corner, a place for dialogue between Christians and Muslim's, in London, even if the Muslim tradition says to slay/kill any apostate, and Muhammad himself killed women who criticized him? Hatun's main point is that although the Hufs Quran, written in the late 8th century, was made the canonical Quran in 1924, and all others thrown into the Nile, Hatun pointed out that there are at least 36 different variations of the Quran which can be bought in Islamic countries, and has shown 93,000 different variations in those Qurans, which is contrary to the message that there is only one Quran, whose copy is in heaven.
Hatun Tash Stabbed at Speakers' Corner - YouTube
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Not okay for Muslims to murder? Do Muslims know this?
 
Daemon Sophic

Daemon Sophic

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Shakeel said:
Not if she's an apostate.
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2ndpillar said:
Is it all right for a Muslim's to kill a 5' 2' female, former Muslim, Hatun Tash, who was preaching at speaker's corner, a place for dialogue between Christians and Muslim's, in London, even if the Muslim tradition says to slay/kill any apostate, and Muhammad himself killed women who criticized him? Hatun's main point is that although the Hufs Quran, written in the late 8th century, was made the canonical Quran in 1924, and all others thrown into the Nile, Hatun pointed out that there are at least 36 different variations of the Quran which can be bought in Islamic countries, and has shown 93,000 different variations in those Qurans, which is contrary to the message that there is only one Quran, whose copy is in heaven.
Hatun Tash Stabbed at Speakers' Corner - YouTube
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The answer is ‘No’.

Question: Why do such questions as the thread title even get asked? The murderer is wrong and should be executed as the extreme threat to other human beings that he is. Period.
There is no debate about this. There is no Mamzy-Pamzy BS religious “justification” or apologetics for this. It is murder. If this were a theocracy, it is murder.

And stop your BS crap about how only Muslims do this. What a load of tripe.
‘Beatific, loving, “wonderful”’ Christians kill for their religion. Jews kill for their religion. Any mindless-****head-frenzied-****-waste-of a-human-life will kill for whatever bull they fanatically have been led to believe.


Don’t cite some drivel-filled book or scroll from centuries-dead mystics! Grow a spine! Think for yourselves, and be kind!
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Daemon Sophic said:
The answer is ‘No’.

Question: Why do such questions as the thread title even get asked? The murderer is wrong and should be executed as the extreme threat to other human beings that he is. Period.
There is no debate about this. There is no Mamzy-Pamzy BS religious “justification” or apologetics for this. It is murder. If this were a theocracy, it is murder.

And stop your BS crap about how only Muslims do this. What a load of tripe.
‘Beatific, loving, “wonderful”’ Christians kill for their religion. Jews kill for their religion. Any mindless-****head-frenzied-****-waste-of a-human-life will kill for whatever bull they fanatically have been led to believe.


Don’t cite some drivel-filled book or scroll from centuries-dead mystics! Grow a spine! Think for yourselves, and be kind!
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Per your signature line, science is the flavor of the moment, and your scientific theories are theories, not facts. When you finish your thesis on an actual working Unified Theory, get back to me. Any observation is modified by the mere presence of an observer, for the object doesn't exist apart from the observer. All is one. That is the new theory of the month with respect to Quantum Mechanics. Here's How Schrodinger's Cat Works (thoughtco.com) As for agnostics, they admit they don't know, and flavor everyone else as unenlightened as themselves. As for Muslims, which can also be said of "Christians", they have a history not knowing nor even understanding their own roots, and this lack of understanding brings them to follow a guy, who according to their own unverified traditions, pursued 9 year old girls, and apparently killed a nursing mother with a knife to the stomach for her mocking him, according to the Muslim traditions. They can no longer hide their deeds, and even the UK is now taking the Muslim rape gangs seriously. Muslim grooming gangs in UK justfied rape for violation of Islamic rules (opindia.com)
Since UK justice is a bit like weak tea, the best solution is to shine a light on bad behavior. The Islamists can moan and groan about the racism of pointing out a targeted news article, but their ability to bury news or criticism, by going around cutting of heads, is getting more difficult, especially in some western countries. Christians lost that ability after the last witch they burned. Their sins (bad fruit) are on display despite any groaning they may do. Now their sins are mainly in the realm of misinformation, but often persists in the realm of pedophilia. The Long History of Pedophile Popes in the Catholic Church – Leo Zagami As for thinking, without a foundational basis, there is not much to think about. As for the UK, it is now even putting Antifa members in jail, although no one does more than 1/2 of their time. Next time you look, cats and dogs will be falling from the sky. They call the cause of that gravity, but gravity is relative to time. Your watch will run at a different speed at the top of the Empire state building than the bottom, that is because the gravity is different at different elevations. GPS satellites must take that into consideration in their calculations. With this information, maybe you can now begin to think on your own.
 
kiwimac

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
2ndpillar said:
As with Hatun, Zoroasters have a trinity, with the goddess being Anahita, along side of Mithra and Mazda. This Indio-Persian concept would be under the pagan category, under the penalty of death per Quran 9:5. You are lucky Islam doesn't rule your super volcano island, although your location and liberal government leadership puts you enough in harm's way. (Revelation 16:20) Your "lord" Mazda will not be able to protect you, as the Persian empire was not able to protect your religion or empire from nomadic Arabs, of course with the help of the "Turks", Byzantines, and the back stabbing Parthians.
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That is quite wrong.
 
danieldemol

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
2ndpillar said:
That would be a politically correct way to approach the subject. Another outlook would be to say that if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it is probably a duck. One of the means for dealing with an apostate and idolater in the Quran was to cut of their heads. The guy looked to be trying to cut her throat. Probably as a Trinitarian, she was seen as an idolater. Keep in mind, that the propaganda put out by Muslims, called lying, known as Taqiyya, is protected under the Hadith. As for the police, they work for a Muslim mayor, and their first priority is to keep the terrorist from burning down London.

“Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them, and blockade them, and watch for them at every lookout. Quran 9:5

Quran 47:4: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks;
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We don't know that it is walking, talking etc like a duck yet. Someone with a personal vendetta may have attacked her, there are other possible motives. I don't think that merely stabbing her in the neck in the abscence of calling allah'u'akbar etc is enough to conclude that it was definetely religiously motivated.

In my opinion.
 
Daemon Sophic

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
2ndpillar said:
Per your signature line, science is the flavor of the moment, and your scientific theories are theories, not facts. When you finish your thesis on an actual working Unified Theory, get back to me. Any observation is modified by the mere presence of an observer, for the object doesn't exist apart from the observer. All is one. That is the new theory of the month with respect to Quantum Mechanics. Here's How Schrodinger's Cat Works (thoughtco.com) As for agnostics, they admit they don't know, and flavor everyone else as unenlightened as themselves. As for Muslims, which can also be said of "Christians", they have a history not knowing nor even understanding their own roots, and this lack of understanding brings them to follow a guy, who according to their own unverified traditions, pursued 9 year old girls, and apparently killed a nursing mother with a knife to the stomach for her mocking him, according to the Muslim traditions. They can no longer hide their deeds, and even the UK is now taking the Muslim rape gangs seriously. Muslim grooming gangs in UK justfied rape for violation of Islamic rules (opindia.com)
Since UK justice is a bit like weak tea, the best solution is to shine a light on bad behavior. The Islamists can moan and groan about the racism of pointing out a targeted news article, but their ability to bury news or criticism, by going around cutting of heads, is getting more difficult, especially in some western countries. Christians lost that ability after the last witch they burned. Their sins (bad fruit) are on display despite any groaning they may do. Now their sins are mainly in the realm of misinformation, but often persists in the realm of pedophilia. The Long History of Pedophile Popes in the Catholic Church – Leo Zagami As for thinking, without a foundational basis, there is not much to think about. As for the UK, it is now even putting Antifa members in jail, although no one does more than 1/2 of their time. Next time you look, cats and dogs will be falling from the sky. They call the cause of that gravity, but gravity is relative to time. Your watch will run at a different speed at the top of the Empire state building than the bottom, that is because the gravity is different at different elevations. GPS satellites must take that into consideration in their calculations. With this information, maybe you can now begin to think on your own.
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:rolleyes:
OK. You like to quote stuff without citing your sources. That’s a short step away from the exact opposite of my point, and by the vague drift of your crudely taped-together post, the opposite of your own direction of thought too. :confused:

So…. @2ndpillar …what’s your point in all of this? o_O You cut and paste long, rambling posts. Now summarize.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
danieldemol said:
We don't know that it is walking, talking etc like a duck yet. Someone with a personal vendetta may have attacked her, there are other possible motives. I don't think that merely stabbing her in the neck in the abscence of calling allah'u'akbar etc is enough to conclude that it was definetely religiously motivated.

In my opinion.
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I hope you are being sarcastic, but I didn't see a smiley face.
 
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