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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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I wonder since a believer in God can not physically prove God as a being, the reason is because God arise from within our true being, and only the person who practice to purify their true being will experience God?

I did say in an OP some time ago, God is energy, so maybe the energy of God arise from within our being when we practice the teaching we follow.

That would mean, each one of us will understand God differently.

Thoughts?
 
Hermit Philosopher

Hermit Philosopher

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Conscious thoughts said:
I wonder since a believer in God can not physically prove God as a being, the reason is because God arise from within our true being, and only the person who practice to purify their true being will experience God?

I did say in an OP some time ago, God is energy, so maybe the energy of God arise from within our being when we practice the teaching we follow.

That would mean, each one of us will understand God differently.

Thoughts?
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I have thought, yes. :)

I don’t think that only those who work at “purifying” themselves are able to experience God because when it first began happening to me, I was pretty much doing the opposite.

That said; “know thyself” seems not irrelevant in maintaining and deepening one’s connection to God once one has received it.

I do think that God “shows” Itself in the manner that makes most sense to the receiver at that point in their lives and yes, that will be in different ways for different people (for me, it was through abstractions and mathematics). But I have also noticed that despite all sorts of conceptual differences, there are great similarities in the effects that an experience of the divine has on people.


Humbly
Hermit
 
RestlessSoul

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The awakening in humans of God Consciousness, Spiritual Enlightenment, or whatever one chooses to call it seems most often to occur as a result of prolonged soul searching, and disciplined spiritual practice. But there have been cases throughout history, it seems, of what can be described as moments of unearned grace. Saint Paul on the road to Damascus would be one well known example
 
PoetPhilosopher

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Conscious thoughts said:
I wonder since a believer in God can not physically prove God as a being, the reason is because God arise from within our true being, and only the person who practice to purify their true being will experience God?

I did say in an OP some time ago, God is energy, so maybe the energy of God arise from within our being when we practice the teaching we follow.

That would mean, each one of us will understand God differently.

Thoughts?
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That's interesting. It's a difficult subject because in my personal life, I've actually experienced even more nuances and stages than you may be at right now on these thoughts, telling me that things are wildly complex, and that you may just be cracking the surface, and where I was at around 3 months ago. So since I was where you are at on this subject 3 months ago, all I can say is, if you continue thinking about it, eventually you "may" reach a point where words can't even any longer describe the complexity of things.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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KAT-KAT said:
That's interesting. It's a difficult subject because in my personal life, I've actually experienced even more nuances and stages than you may be at right now on these thoughts, telling me that things are wildly complex, and that you may just be cracking the surface, and where I was at around 3 months ago. So since I was where you are at on this subject 3 months ago, all I can say is, if you continue thinking about it, eventually you "may" reach a point where words can't even any longer describe the complexity of things.
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Yhat is words of wisdom:)
And I agree
 
Valjean

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Conscious thoughts said:
I wonder since a believer in God can not physically prove God as a being, the reason is because God arise from within our true being, and only the person who practice to purify their true being will experience God?

I did say in an OP some time ago, God is energy, so maybe the energy of God arise from within our being when we practice the teaching we follow.

That would mean, each one of us will understand God differently.

Thoughts?
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I think you have a good point here. My only question would be with the appropriateness of "purify."

A culture may dance, fast, meditate, recite prayers or mantras, take drugs, self-flagellate, chant, sing, vision quest, &c; the common theme being altering one's normal thought processes.
When the brain's derailed from its normal job of depicting and interpreting the world, it'll start generating a whole different feed.

I think mind alteration might be more accurate than purification, which implies riddance of foreign substances.
 
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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Valjean said:
I think you have a good point here. My only question would be with the appropriateness of "purify."

A culture may dance, fast, meditate, recite prayers or mantras, take drugs, self-flagellate, chant, sing, vision quest, &c; the common theme being altering one's normal thought processes.
When the brain's derailed from its normal job of depicting and interpreting the world, it'll start generating a whole different feed.

I think mind alteration might be more accurate than purification, which implies riddance of foreign substances.
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I used the words purifying because of it is the word my teacher use, and it was the word i used as a buddhist when I practiced buddhism :)

Maybe different cultures use different wording.
 
Valjean

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My favorite wording/approach would be something like: "short circuit," "derail," "crash," "demolish," or "sabotage."
...I'm not one to pussyfoot. ;)
 
RestlessSoul

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Valjean said:
My favorite wording/approach would be something like: "short circuit," "derail," "crash," "demolish," or "sabotage."
...I'm not one to pussyfoot. ;)
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If you believe consciousness to be purely a function of brain chemistry, then it makes sense to see any expansion or alteration of consciousness in those terms, I suppose.

Even still, perceptions, whether they be chemical, electrical, or spiritual phenomena, can still be heightened. The doors of perception can be opened.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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dybmh said:
Are there any verses/chapters in the Quran which they use to support this idea of God arising from within?
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Since the sufi path i follow are mostly focused on the inward "world" there are less reading for me now than to undo all my bad habbits and 4he more negativity from within o let go of the closer to Allah i get when the vail drops. Others focus more 8n literarly translation of the word in the quran.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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dybmh said:
Are there any verses/chapters in the Quran which they use to support this idea of God arising from within?
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This might help explain my belief from a sufi P.O.V

We call God “Allah” because there is no gender implied in this Arabic appellation. Allah can have no gender because that would be a limiting factor, and Allah can have no limits. We believe that God is omniscient, omnipotent, and is the uncaused Cause of all creation. Allah is without limit in every dimension, infinitely and eternally, the formless Creator of all forms. Allah is neither created nor can He be destroyed.

The one thing in the universe we know of that cannot be created or destroyed is energy. Energy can be understood as the capacity to do work, as the force that is behind all action, and as action itself. We know energy as a kind of light/force, as that which radiates and that which is radiated. It is both substance and movement. Sufis believe that Allah is the fundamental energy which has existed before all time, because Allah is both uncreated and the Creator. We understand Allah as the conscious energy of the universe, the One who contains infinite knowledge and power to act in whatever way He wills.

Allah from a Sufi Perspective
 
dybmh

dybmh

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Conscious thoughts said:
The spiritual energy that arise from within a practitioner is a part of Allah
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Yes, I understand that. What I'm looking for is a connection to this idea that's written in the Quran. If you come across one, I'd be interested in reading more about it. Thank you either way.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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dybmh said:
Yes, I understand that. What I'm looking for is a connection to this idea that's written in the Quran. If you come across one, I'd be interested in reading more about it. Thank you either way.
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Not everything in sufi teaching is written in the quran. A sufi have many other scriptures that is followed and studied, but most important is what we realize about our oen self/ego and how to reduce it so the vail of Allah is falling away

To know once self is to know God.
 
Valjean

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RestlessSoul said:
If you believe consciousness to be purely a function of brain chemistry, then it makes sense to see any expansion or alteration of consciousness in those terms, I suppose.

Even still, perceptions, whether they be chemical, electrical, or spiritual phenomena, can still be heightened. The doors of perception can be opened.
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Not necessarily just brain chemistry. I see the brain as a tap into a universal consciousness, like your computer taps into the internet.
 
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