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Why is Jerusalem considered the destination of the midnight ride?

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rational experiences

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Jeru means to turn.
Salem. Peace.

Peace in science was zero or ain. Stones face why pyramid science like a mountain form ∆ quotes the mount of Ain.

Temple science involved with pyramid. Atop mountains and also on ground with pyramid. Temples once science buildings.

Ancient technology.

Jerusalem earth point in science was the most important temple.

As rational human advice. Seeing technology is a shared world community of all nations.
 
Shakeel

Shakeel

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Link said:
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation

The bows are understood by some to make a circle and so there is no distance, between the two bows.

Bows as in:

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That's about Angel Gabriel. He was at the distance of two bow-lengths or even closer.
 
Shakeel

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Link said:
The verse is self-explanatory, it says he was brought from the sacred place of prostration to the holiest place of prostration so that God can show him of his signs. The signs are that which he witnessed in Ascending to the sky/reality and so it makes sense it's not about a physical place because the signs shown are that which was in the sky/heaven reality and else where Quran talks about it as when he was two bows or even closer still.
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It literally says "from Al-Masjid Al-Haram to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa". The two bow length distance isn't even mentioned here.
 
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Shakeel said:
It literally says "from Al-Masjid Al-Haram to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa". The two bow length distance isn't even mentioned here.
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Yeah but it's about showing his signs, at this point Prophet (s) already performed miracles and the rest of Quran when alluding to it, talks about unseen higher signs as the great signs he saw. And it's about his holy journey to God.

Here is a hadith from our sources:

‘From Abu Abdullah (a) he (the narrator) said, ‘I asked him (a) about the Masjids for which there are merits. He (a) said: ‘The Sacred Masjid and Masjid of the Rasool (s)’. قلت:َّوَّاملسجدَّاألقصى،َّجعلتَّفداك؟َّفقال:َّ»ذاكَّيفَّالسماء،َّإليهَّأسريَّبرسولَّهللاَّ)صلىَّهللاَّعليهَّوَّآله(«. I said, ‘And (what about) Masjid Al-Aqsa, may I be sacrificed for you (a) !?’ He (a) said: ‘That is in the sky. To it journeyed Rasool-Allah (s)’. فقلت:َّإنَّالناسَّيقولون:َّإنهَّبيتَّاملقدس؟َّفقال:َّ»مسجدَّالكوفةَّأفضلَّمنه«.َّ So I said, ‘But the people are saying, it is Bayt Al-Maqdis?’ He (a) said: ‘Masjid Al-Kufa is superior to it’’.
 
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firedragon said:
Both are wrong.

Qaf, sadh, waw, means far or distant. Masjid al aqsa means most distant temple or mosque.
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You are right but it's still about the sky/reality because of the signs and journey is about being shown signs he is yet to see, while he already performed miracles at this point.
 
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Shakeel said:
That's about Angel Gabriel. He was at the distance of two bow-lengths or even closer.
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That's an odd interpretation, but according to hadiths of Ahlulbayt (a), it's a position that is beyond Gabriel when he was two bows or closer still, so according to our hadiths it has nothing to do with Gabriel (a).
 
firedragon

firedragon

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You are right but it's still about the sky/reality because of the signs and journey is about being shown signs he is yet to see, while he already performed miracles at this point.
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I was only correcting your translation of the words Masjid al haram and masjidul aksa brother. Nothing more. Salam.
 
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Okay I just did some research on this. Sunni and Shiite hadiths don't agree on the night journey, according to Sunni hadiths, it was really the place in Jerusalem from which the Prophet (a) ascend to the sky/reality while Shiites have it he did it from masjidal Haram. Both of them have the verse about the ascension, but it's about from where he ascended.

So this a matter of difference of what hadiths you believe. Same with two bows rather closer still, Shiite hadiths have it at a place beyond Angels including Gabriel, while Sunni hadiths have it about Gabriel (a).

So one interpretation can't be forced on another, it's different sources.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Link said:
Okay I just did some research on this. Sunni and Shiite hadiths don't agree on the night journey, according to Sunni hadiths, it was really the place in Jerusalem from which the Prophet (a) ascend to the sky/reality while Shiites have it he did it from masjidal Haram. Both of them have the verse about the ascension, but it's about from where he ascended.

So this a matter of difference of what hadiths you believe. Same with two bows rather closer still, Shiite hadiths have it at a place beyond Angels including Gabriel, while Sunni hadiths have it about Gabriel (a).

So one interpretation can't be forced on another, it's different sources.
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You are absolutely right. The Shii gathering of the event and the Sunni tradition are quite different. Also you should note that with the Mihraj, there are highly disputed theories in the Sunni tradition. But I have no expertise in the Shii tradition to know the nuances. So maybe you could enlighten me a bit.
 
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I was reading a Zaidi hadith since there chains are shorter to the Imams (a) and they have interesting one that when he was "two bows rather closer", he no longer saw anything with his eyes, just with his heart. That means at that point there was no longer any physical existence. There I believe the Prophet's (s) spirit took on reality in it's highest truest form, and his family (a) take on the sky/reality and are the lanterns of the sky connected to this world. Their real nature is that of light beyond physical.
 
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I will share some hadiths soon but we have a lot in which Gabriel (a) says he can no longer accompany the Prophet (s) and he is on his own at a certain point and that Gabriel (a) will burn to the brightness of the light if he continues with the Prophet (s).
 
Shakeel

Shakeel

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Yeah but it's about showing his signs, at this point Prophet (s) already performed miracles and the rest of Quran when alluding to it, talks about unseen higher signs as the great signs he saw. And it's about his holy journey to God.
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Nothing about that logically leads to your conclusion.
 
Shakeel

Shakeel

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Link said:
That's an odd interpretation, but according to hadiths of Ahlulbayt (a), it's a position that is beyond Gabriel when he was two bows or closer still, so according to our hadiths it has nothing to do with Gabriel (a).
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You must be talking about some other part of the Qur'an because 53:7-10 says
"While he was in the higher [part of the] horizon."
"Then he approached and descended"
"And was at a distance of two bow lengths or nearer."
"And he revealed to His Servant what he revealed."

And that makes absolutely no sense the way you make it be.
 
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