firedragon
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May I ask you how the spirit communicates with you?
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Spiritual warning against eating meat
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May I ask you how the spirit communicates with you?
Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
I don't feel compelled to treat animals with the same compassion as I would treat humans, because I believe animals to be psychologically different.
This doesn't mean I have no compassion for animals.
And physical death is in my opinion not the worst thing that can happen to a being, I'm not a survivalist.
To your second question:
I don't know.
I don't know anything about the nature and the way of operating of these monsters.
Maybe they are so sophisticated and wise(or crafty and deceitful if seen from a cynical pov) that they managed to persuade us into believing that giving up our kids for their consumption is not such a bad thing after all.
I agree with you. But the habitat destruction and carbon footprint is larger with industrial cattle farming. So while it won't fix problems with clear cutting, monoculture and shelf loss, vegetarianism is still less impact, especially less impact than US red meat dominated diets, and more sustainable when most of your perfectly serviceable growing land is used for cattle filler.
As the saying goes, I don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
They're hardly fangs, and even vampires have a hard time putting the bite on anyone with their flat faces.They got shorter.We still have tails, but they're tiny now, like our fangs. Vampires are the only humans still with those long fangs, but we still have them. They aren't completely flat yet, unlike Vampires who still need them to puncture holes in our necks.
These days, I think most of them are self-isolating at home and ordering tested blood from blood banks.
No ape has a tail. Our lineage never had tails.
Cooking "predigests" food, and enables a lot more nutrition to be extracted from it. This was a major factor in our survival as plains apes.
Hand processing, too -- cutting, chopping, termite-fishing, cracking -- was also a big factor.
LOL -- quite so, but try living a 'natural' lifestyle in a massive, diverse civilization -- our numbers damn us!Our modern lifestyles are incompatible with our natural evolution. Sitting in chairs in front of a computer at a desk for 8 straight hours? We were not designed by nature for that. We need to get back to gathering nuts and berries for 3 hours a day in order to live, rather than torture ourselves for 8 hours for someone else.
There is still the drive, of course. Venturing out every day on a dangerous and unreliable quest for resources is tremendously satisfying, but who can do this? -- Drug addicts, armed robbers, burglars --- exciting, yes; fulfills natural urges, but recreating a Pleistocene lifestyle this way isn't particularly functional.
Army patrols in hostile territory also comes to mind.
Morality consists of fighting one's natural urges.
Great video! Thanx.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
I reckon he's a sock for Noam Chomsky.Socialist!
A Modest Proposal - Wikipedia
"A young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout."
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Good luck with that. Doctors have been telling people to reduce meat consumption for ages and so far... not so good.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
In the UK... some signs of change, particularly in young adults:
UK Red Meat Consumption Drops Nearly 30% in a Decade
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Yeah. I've never gotten that. They claim going vegan will save the world. No, it won't. We'll still have the massively, hugely, widely, psychotically unsustainable industrial agriculture models producing food. Which means consuming more than what is gotten out of it, wasting tragic amounts of it, and an environment that is still charging to the edge of a cliff.
But, if we have sustainable food consumption and production, livestock wouldn't be such a concern and even with it we'd be ok as far as the Earth goes.
The point is, most of the grain we grow goes to feed cattle. If it takes enough grain to feed 20 people to create a kilo of meat, well, that's a pretty inefficient use of resources. Eliminate the cattle, feed the grain to people, and we could feed people with only a fraction of the land and resource use -- and have lots of room for more golf courses, swimming pools, country clubs and housing developments.
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Nothing special. Just the truth my friends in the spiritual tells me about.@CXZ33 can i ask what form of spiritual path you follow
Very interested in meditation.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
And there will be food grown to replace the cattle. There will still be highly unsustainable and outrageously wasteful methods. Stuff that needs to get done won't get done. Will it reduce that about half of our food is wasted? It won't even address it. Does it improve transportation and logistics? That's not in the plan. All the plastics, all the fossil fuels, all the problems, still there.The point is, most of the grain we grow goes to feed cattle. If it takes enough grain to feed 20 people to create a kilo of meat, well, that's a pretty inefficient use of resources. Eliminate the cattle and we could feed people with only a fraction of the land and resource use -- and have lots of room for more golf courses, swimming pools, country clubs and housing developments.
These pictures are what prompted Jainarayan to stop eating mammal flesh. He feels it’s hypocritical to have rescued animals, support the ASPCA, not to mention praying to Gods who are the protectors of animals, and chow down on bacon, ribs, lamb chops.
He hasn’t eaten beef in a long time, since he adopted Hinduism. Jainarayan doesn’t eat lamb (no reason to eat cute baby animals), or most other animals with hair, fur, nipples or mammary glands (platypuses don’t have nipples but they produce milk that oozes out, so Jainarayan doesn’t eat platypuses). He has decided to shun anything that meets those criteria.
Chickens, stupid birds though they are, deserve to live and will probably be next off the menu. Fish and other seafood? Well, Jainarayan will deal with the karmic consequences of that.
Btw, he sometimes speaks in the third person because he’s a little bit unbalanced.
He hasn’t eaten beef in a long time, since he adopted Hinduism. Jainarayan doesn’t eat lamb (no reason to eat cute baby animals), or most other animals with hair, fur, nipples or mammary glands (platypuses don’t have nipples but they produce milk that oozes out, so Jainarayan doesn’t eat platypuses). He has decided to shun anything that meets those criteria.
Chickens, stupid birds though they are, deserve to live and will probably be next off the menu. Fish and other seafood? Well, Jainarayan will deal with the karmic consequences of that.
Btw, he sometimes speaks in the third person because he’s a little bit unbalanced.
There are different opinions on what the Bible really says. And we can not know if words have been manipulated to hurt us.
All we can be sure of is that it is way riskier to support the killing of other beings than not to.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Such images and videos are extreme, rare examples or even mock-ups. The vast majority of farm animals are treated compassionately and killed humanely.These pictures are what prompted Jainarayan to stop eating mammal flesh. He feels it’s hypocritical to have rescued animals, support the ASPCA, not to mention praying to Gods who are the protectors of animals, and chow down on bacon, ribs, lamb chops.
He hasn’t eaten beef in a long time, since he adopted Hinduism. Jainarayan doesn’t eat lamb (no reason to eat cute baby animals), or most other animals with hair, fur, nipples or mammary glands (platypuses don’t have nipples but they produce milk that oozes out, so Jainarayan doesn’t eat platypuses). He has decided to shun anything that meets those criteria.
Chickens, stupid birds though they are, deserve to live and will probably be next off the menu. Fish and other seafood? Well, Jainarayan will deal with the karmic consequences of that.
Btw, he sometimes speaks in the third person because he’s a little bit unbalanced.
- Have you had much of this yet?
Family farms and ranches, perhaps but I can’t see that in factory farming. There’s no time.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
I don't think you're grasping just how much food and water is used to feed/water cattle. Cut that out, and you'd have enough food on your hands given current agricultural production to stuff everyone on Earth and then some. If everyone kept producing plant-based foods at the current pace, and humans had their fill, then of course there would be a ton left over that would go to waste. Which is why it would necessarily have to scale back. No one in their right mind is going to face that much ongoing loss - they would switch to stop growing as much.
It's not like we would all suddenly decide to eat 20 lbs. of food per day because meat isn't available, and therefore need more vegetation to keep up with a demand like that. That makes absolutely no sense. What you're not getting is that so much goes into producing ONE cow that it is ridiculous. And then you take that one cow after a few YEARS of feeding it 50 LBS. OF FOOD PER DAY and chop it into 30-40 cuts of meat that feed maybe 30-40 people maybe 1-4 times - even given a liberal estimate of 120 meals out of one cow, and even if only 5 Lbs. of that 50 is food that a human can eat, that's HUGE. Per day. Remember that part... per day. Years of feeding... per day. One set of meat cuts is the ultimate product. One set. Years of feeding pounds and pounds of food, PER DAY.
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There will be less waste. Grain is non-perishable, it'll keep for years. It doesn't need feeding, watering or refrigeration. You don't have to clean up after it. It doesn't pollute groundwater or rivers. It doesn't belch methane. It's easy to transport.
If we can feed the population with a tenth of our current grain production, and keep meat for special treats, think of all the oil refineries and casinos Koch and Trump could build on the newly available land.
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Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Exactly (sorry should have used the sarky emoji). Try to avoid the high heavy metals sea food.
ROLF!
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
I do believe you did have a spiritual experience. I have one about every other day. In the past before I felt I've become more awakened, I thought that I should maybe carry messages of my experiences - then I realized that my spiritual messages were more meant for me rather than others. I do believe we are entering an interesting age. People becoming more awakened, protests, activism, old ways and new, and people who will seem to fight to prevent change.
However, I can't really listen to your advice despite believing you did experience a spiritual experience. The reason doesn't have to do with me not believing or respecting. It has to do with I don't follow the Abrahamic God, and also, if I did, I'd probably look to certain verses in the New Testament and study them more carefully, as I feel some could potentially be talking about how most meats are okay. Or if I took the Old Testament, I could still eat I guess cow and chicken.
Actually, I don't know what your beliefs are, so I couldn't say. For example, if I followed my Hindu path, I'd be more prone to not eat cow. All this is important because the warning you got from the divine may have different meanings based on what deity talked to you.